Study: MLB's worst fielder is Derek Jeter

[OSUFan_88]

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I have a hard time believing that Derek Jeter is worse than Jhonny Peralta in the field.

Maybe Jeter can be second.

[theaub]

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Michael Young is an infinitely worse SS than Jeter. I mean Jeter sucks, but Young is just horrendous.

[CMH]

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My perception has always been that he just has a lack of range. I think his hands are average, but he doesn't get to a lot of balls that others get to and has to make acrobatic plays on balls that others would get to routinely. I don't know if it's bad instincts or bad reads, slow feet or a slow first step or what, but often times I see a ball hit and think that he's going to get it and he's not close.

It's basically the Sportscenter effect. People see him make all of these jumping throws or diving stops and think that makes him good, but in reality, on those same hit balls, the great fielders are a step ahead and don't have to make that extra effort.

Yes, yes, and so many yesses.

It's what many wondered about Jim Edmonds at a point in time when he had the speed to recover from his mistakes. I wonder if perhaps Andruw Jones is of the same ilk.

[Kashanova]

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i've always said he is the most overrated player of all time

[Sportsforever]

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Yes, yes, and so many yesses.

It's what many wondered about Jim Edmonds at a point in time when he had the speed to recover from his mistakes. I wonder if perhaps Andruw Jones is of the same ilk.

Actually, AJ in his prime was the real deal. In fact, a lot of folks talked of him not being that good because you didn't see him diving to make catches like Edmonds. The truth is that he got such a good first step and didn't make a lot of mistakes that he was often gliding under or standing under a ball others were diving to catch.

[Porschebenz2001]

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Does this really deserve a thread every single year?

Lol most overrated player of all time, worst defensive shortstop of all time, beneficiary of an all-star caliber lineup in the prime of his career, etc.

[Blzer]

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Somebody hasn't seen Ray Durham take the field...

[Misfit]

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And he'll still get votes for a gold glove.

[BunnyHardaway]

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Overrated fielder? Absolutely.

Worst in baseball? I have a hard time believing that.

[SpacemanSpiff]

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Overrated fielder? Absolutely.

Worst in baseball? I have a hard time believing that.

Worst in baseball does seem unfair seeing as I'm pretty sure he was only the third worst on his own team. Bobby Abreu was by far the worst outfielder I've ever seen, I'm pretty sure Melky could get to more balls in right if he positioned himself in the dugout. Giambi can make a nice pick in the dirt every now and then but his range was atrocious as well. This was actually probably one of Jeter's better defensive years; he worked on his positioning and his range was better to his left than he has been in recent years. I agree he's not even an average fielder, probably bottom 10 for shortstops this year, bottom 5 the last few years. There is no way he's the worst fielder in all of baseball, that's just something said to get headlines and reactions.

[rsox]

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Hey at least I don't think he's the best SS in the league. I'd tell you who I think it is but you'd laugh at me so.

You would say it's John McDonald and your right, everyone would laugh at you.
(Though McDonald is pretty good for a guy most people have never heard of)

[rsox]

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Michael Young is an infinitely worse SS than Jeter. I mean Jeter sucks, but Young is just horrendous.

Actually Young and Jeter are quite comparable in the field. Since Young moved to SS full time in 2004 he has commited only 8 more errors than Jeter, in 237 more chances. In the past three seasons Young has actually commited 1 less error than Jeter in 296 more chances. Statistically speaking Jeter is worse than Young at this point.

And to be fair Young was actually a very good defensive Second Baseman prior to moving to the other side of the bag.

[SpacemanSpiff]

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Actually Young and Jeter are quite comparable in the field. Since Young moved to SS full time in 2004 he has commited only 8 more errors than Jeter, in 237 more chances. In the past three seasons Young has actually commited 1 less error than Jeter in 296 more chances. Statistically speaking Jeter is worse than Young at this point.

And to be fair Young was actually a very good defensive Second Baseman prior to moving to the other side of the bag.

Not disagreeing with your actual point that they're comparable but please don't use errors as your reason why Jeter is statistically worse. Reyes and Bartlett had more errors and a worse fielding percentage than both Jeter and Young. No one would base an argument that Jeter and Young are better than Reyes and Bartlett based on fielding percentage because it doesn't tell the whole story.

[rsox]

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Not disagreeing with your actual point that they're comparable but please don't use errors as your reason why Jeter is statistically worse. Reyes and Bartlett had more errors and a worse fielding percentage than both Jeter and Young. No one would base an argument that Jeter and Young are better than Reyes and Bartlett based on fielding percentage because it doesn't tell the whole story.

Your right, errors don't tell the whole story, but they are quite telling.

In the same time period Young has more assists, more double plays, a better FPCT and a higher range factor . Jeter does beat Young in zone rating but that it probably due to fewer chances.

[ehh]

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Your right, errors don't tell the whole story, but they are quite telling.

Not to these sabremetric nuts.