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  • Coug00
    LOB
    • Jul 2002
    • 3476

    #1

    Mariners dissolve Advanced Scouting Department

    The Seattle Times is reporting the Mariners have done completely away with their advanced scouting department and all scouting will be done solely by their brand new Statistical Analysis Department (the first of its kind in MLB).

    No more advance scouts for M's Posted by Geoff Baker


    One new development with the Mariners that kind of got lost in the crazed aftermath of that 12-player J.J. Putz trade is that Seattle will no longer use an advance scout for games. This role is instead being transfered to the team's new department of statistical analysis. The idea is that the team will receive video of their opponents and have workers in the new department break down each pitch from a statistical viewpoint. They can grade the break on curve balls, tendencies to throw certain pitches in certain situations, figure out what hitters like to swing at, that sort of thing.


    The Milwaukee Brewers began using that approach when current Mariners GM Jack Zduriencik and assistant Tony Blengino were running their scouting operations.
    Seattle's new department so far will have just one full-time employee with some interns taking down data as well. The team interviewed some intern candidates at the winter meetings in Las Vegas.


    In Milwaukee, there grew to be a team of more than a dozen interns handling stats at one time or another. The M's hope similar growth can occur here. The idea is also that once interns break in with the club, the most talented, hungry types can advance in other areas of the club and provide an injection of fresh talent into the organization.


    More on this department as details emerge.
    Thoughts? If this is successful I don't see how this doesn't become the wave of baseballs future (since MLB is a copycat league).

    As an M's fan its kind of scary. I'm a believer in mixing SABR with advanced scouting. Its shocking to me as well, since Jack Zduriencik is a former advanced scout.
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  • Sandman42
    Hall Of Fame
    • Aug 2004
    • 15186

    #2
    Re: Mariners dissolve Advanced Scouting Department

    Interesting. As much as a love SABR, I'm also a big believer in having to mix it with traditional scouting. Hopefully it works out for the M's though.
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    • SlimKibbles
      Supporter
      • Apr 2004
      • 7276

      #3
      Re: Mariners dissolve Advanced Scouting Department

      Yeah, very interesting. Hope for the M's sake it works out.
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      • J0nnD0ugh
        Hall Of Fame
        • Feb 2003
        • 16602

        #4
        Re: Mariners dissolve Advanced Scouting Department

        Just what baseball needs. More math.
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        • Shakedowncapo
          MVP
          • Aug 2002
          • 4031

          #5
          Re: Mariners dissolve Advanced Scouting Department

          Calc nerds rejoice..

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          • Misfit
            All Star
            • Mar 2003
            • 5766

            #6
            Re: Mariners dissolve Advanced Scouting Department

            Sounds like its more than just interpretting data. I get the impression instead of sending someone out to the park to watch a pitcher they'll do the same thing in an office with a video tape. It makes a lot more sense and is probably more effective too, but the traditionalists will hate it. At least this gets the scouts off Billy Beane's back.

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            • CMH
              Making you famous
              • Oct 2002
              • 26203

              #7
              Re: Mariners dissolve Advanced Scouting Department

              Originally posted by J0nnD0ugh
              Just what baseball needs. More math.
              Math makes the world go round.
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              • CMH
                Making you famous
                • Oct 2002
                • 26203

                #8
                Re: Mariners dissolve Advanced Scouting Department

                About this.

                It's an interesting decision, one that I'm in favor of without a doubt.

                I have at times felt that a mix of both is usually a good thing, the advancement in statistical analysis and data collecting is so intense that there is no longer a real need for an Advanced Scout.

                Now, what the scout says they saw and wrote down in a book, other members of the organization will actually get to see for themselves through video and statistics.

                When this sort of thing starts getting used to monitor High School Players, baseball's talent pool will jump tenfold. We'll start seeing guys that most thought had no shot at being Major Leaguers get drafted earlier and find success through levels.
                "It may well be that we spectators, who are not divinely gifted as athletes, are the only ones able to truly see, articulate and animate the experience of the gift we are denied. And that those who receive and act out the gift of athletic genius must, perforce, be blind and dumb about it -- and not because blindness and dumbness are the price of the gift, but because they are its essence." - David Foster Wallace

                "You'll not find more penny-wise/pound-foolish behavior than in Major League Baseball." - Rob Neyer

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                • dalnet22
                  Banned
                  • Jul 2004
                  • 770

                  #9
                  Re: Mariners dissolve Advanced Scouting Department

                  When I read the title, I thought the M's were downsizing.

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