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  • Pared
    Legen - WAIT FOR IT
    • Feb 2003
    • 39337

    #106
    Re: Kevin Youkilis speaks out on American W.B.C support

    Originally posted by YankeePride
    Youkilis never said that the fans don't have American pride? Why are you guys putting things into his mouth?
    Exactly. He specifically said "in this." Meaning the American baseball team.

    Others have chimed in and said they don't care about the WBC at all.

    How is he wrong?
    I don’t think there’s as much pride in the USA as there is for these other countries.
    What is the problem with that statement?
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    • wwharton
      *ll St*r
      • Aug 2002
      • 26949

      #107
      Re: Kevin Youkilis speaks out on American W.B.C support

      Originally posted by Pared
      Nothing is "hitting home" for you personally... good for you. Doesn't mean Youk's comments didn't strike a nerve. Just re-read the thread.

      Again. what's the real argument here? Considering more people are putting effort into defending themselves than cheering their team on... Youk's comments hit a lot closer to home than some would care to admit... and if it didn't for you, well... again, what's your argument? If you're indifferent, you're indifferent.

      No one knows you, like you said... but that doesn't mean someone can't comment on you and still hit close to home. They can also be 110% wrong. Either way, doesn't mean he is wrong.
      I can't speak for JBH3 or Scott, but I've explained what I think is off in his statement. The only thing I find annoying is people like you trying to prove that what he said touched a nerve in me. Maybe you should re-read the thread. You can discuss things without that meaning you're "outraged" but I do take offense to you trying to tell everyone how they should feel and how that's different than how they really do.

      In your defense I think you're grouping people that disagree with you together. JBH3 just posted about why he's bothered by Youkilis' statement. Scott has posted before that he'd be more into it if the US was winning. I'm not with either of them. I genuinely just disagree with what he said and am discussing it. Many others also seem to just don't care and don't agree with what he said.

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      • wwharton
        *ll St*r
        • Aug 2002
        • 26949

        #108
        Re: Kevin Youkilis speaks out on American W.B.C support

        To repeat:

        I don’t think there’s as much pride in the USA as there is for these other countries.
        He doesn't know what he's talking about. The WBC is in no way a representation of how much pride is in the USA. The US sites for the game are geared toward attracting an international crowd, not a "US home field" like he wants. The WBC comes at a time when most Americans have been conditioned to be focused on March Madness, arguably the greatest sports specticle of the year for most Americans. The games are shown on a channel that many don't get and many who do may not even know they get it. Many players would rather go to spring training to prepare for the upcoming season, and many that go play like they don't want to do anything that could damage the upcoming season.

        That doesn't even mention the ticket prices, current economy, made up tournament obviously just to make money, etc.

        He's wrong, and there is both my opinion and facts to back that thought up, and none of that is necessarily personal to me. It seems like you're taking it more personally than you should... just like Youkilis. Maybe he should ask some of his US teammates why they aren't playing as hard as they normally would or showing as much emotion (unless he's blaming that on the fans). Or maybe ask Bud why it's set up the way it is, at the time of year it is... or why they didn't chose sites that would draw more of a US crowd to get a feel of a home field advantage. Maybe you should ask yourself why you care so much.

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        • Pared
          Legen - WAIT FOR IT
          • Feb 2003
          • 39337

          #109
          Re: Kevin Youkilis speaks out on American W.B.C support

          Originally posted by wwharton
          I can't speak for JBH3 or Scott, but I've explained what I think is off in his statement. The only thing I find annoying is people like you trying to prove that what he said touched a nerve in me. Maybe you should re-read the thread. You can discuss things without that meaning you're "outraged" but I do take offense to you trying to tell everyone how they should feel and how that's different than how they really do.

          In your defense I think you're grouping people that disagree with you together. JBH3 just posted about why he's bothered by Youkilis' statement. Scott has posted before that he'd be more into it if the US was winning. I'm not with either of them. I genuinely just disagree with what he said and am discussing it. Many others also seem to just don't care and don't agree with what he said.
          Ultimately, we're both arguing the same thing. I don't really have any interest as to how it effects you personally... with no disrespect intended of course (I know that can read that way).

          He's questioning the interest of Americans in their team in the WBC. They don't have pride in this thing. That's a fair sentiment, IMO, especially when someone admits they don't have any interest in it. You're indifference, so you don't have pride in it... because you don't care about it.

          I think you're over-analyzing his comments. I would take it as he is referring to the WBC and American support, not support for all things USA. That's most likely where we're all off-base here. You're taking his comments to a different level and I'm simply interested in how they relate to the WBC.

          For the record, there's no point in discussing this further. Saying I'm taking the comments personally is laughable when they don't even effect me, personally. I'm watching the WBC and I agree with him. That's my take; Nothing more.
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          • wwharton
            *ll St*r
            • Aug 2002
            • 26949

            #110
            Re: Kevin Youkilis speaks out on American W.B.C support

            Reposting the entire quote so we can get back on track (and no offense taken, btw).

            MIAMI - First baseman Kevin Youkilis is accustomed to playing in front of big crowds with the Red Sox, so the disappointing attendance figures for Team USA’s games in the World Baseball Classic has surprised him.

            In Sunday’s win against the Netherlands, just 11,059 fans were on hand at Dolphin Stadium. A night earlier, the U.S. drew 30,595, but more than half of the crowd was there in support of Puerto Rico.

            “I don’t think we have enough pride in this,” Youkilis said yesterday at Team USA’s workout. “It’s kind of a sad day - and I know it’s a tough time (economically) to buy tickets - when you see that. I don’t think there’s as much pride in the USA as there is for these other countries. There was a whole section of Dominican fans (Sunday) night just here to watch baseball. I think we’re losing a little bit of pride for, quote, ‘America’s national pastime.’ ”

            Beyond the economy, there is the market in South Florida, which seldom draws well for baseball. Dolphin Stadium isn’t easily accessible for fans, and it’s a poor facility for the sport.

            Still, the lack of fan support is puzzling to Youkilis.

            “It definitely hurts a little bit to know that you’re always the away team in your own country,” he said. “There are some good people out there, but it would be nice to have a lot more of those people chanting ‘USA,’ holding up American flags. That’s the one thing we didn’t see much of the other night - there were more Puerto Rican flags than American (flags).”

            Youkilis often has said the intensity that comes with playing in front of packed houses at Fenway Park [map] every night can be an advantage for the home team. He wishes Team USA could experience the same.

            “If there was 45,000 people it would definitely get the guys going a lot more,” he said. “From playing in front of that every night, it gets you going. There are days when you’re dragging and the fans lift you up with the support. I wouldn’t say that’s a factor in games we’re not winning, but it’s more (about improving) the environment overall.”
            The first statement does say "in this" which I do agree with 100%. And I wish I'd seen the whole interview b/c he may have been led in this direction for the sake of the story, but the tone of the entire thing is pointing more ant Americans for being at fault in this "indifference", and that's my problem with him saying it at all and why I say he doesn't know what he's talking about. It was probably a bad use of a cliche but to say the showing at the WBC shows a loss of pride in America's national past time is the main statement where I think he put his foot in his mouth.

            The rest of it could be directed at the WBC set up on a whole just as easily, but after that comment, the theme is that everyone else is running while we're just turning a blind eye. I can understand someone taking that personally and getting upset, and I also feel it's incorrect. Either way, that's the issue IMO. It would've been nice if he was then asked what he thinks is the problem or how does he think things could be changed. That probably could've helped clear things up a bit, but it's likely the reporter was shooting for an angle before even asking the questions.

            I'm not mad at Youkilis. If I were in his shoes I'd be wondering "what am I doing here?"... maybe that was his "aha" moment in terms of that, bc the WBC as it is, really is pretty much a joke that only succeeds in lining the pockets of suits and massaging the egos of non-Americans.

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            Adding for clarification, we are pretty much arguing the same thing. And the gap is much smaller. I'm not saying he's questioning all things USA but all things related to USA baseball. The statement about pride in America's national pastime is questioning USA baseball. He may not have meant it literally... or maybe he did. Either way, it was a bad thing to say.
            Last edited by wwharton; 03-23-2009, 03:27 PM.

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            • Pared
              Legen - WAIT FOR IT
              • Feb 2003
              • 39337

              #111
              Re: Kevin Youkilis speaks out on American W.B.C support

              I respect your take, ww. Good posts.

              Honestly, while I wouldn't put it "massaging the ego's of non-American's" there most certainly is a warm embrace to this by other countries to prove their dominance on the baseball field.

              Ultimately I think that's what Youk is point to... as a player on the American squad, I'd be frustrated at that "lack of embrace" by my fellow American's as well.

              I'm sure Youk is thinking exactly what you just said. Why am I playing in this when people here don't even seem to care. In all though, the pride has to start somewhere, be it by the country you're representing or the player's themselves.
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              • wwharton
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                • Aug 2002
                • 26949

                #112
                Re: Kevin Youkilis speaks out on American W.B.C support

                I guess what I'm saying is it needs to start with the MLB. If this is a serious **** measuring contest between the baseball beasts of the world, why create something that puts the Americans at such a clear disadvantage? They could argue that there isn't a better time of year for various reasons but it'd be hard to argue that Spring Training is a BETTER time than anything besides during the season.

                I'll retract the focus of my comments against Youkilis. It's VERY possible he's thinking the exact same thing and just had that one unfortunate cliche and misused it. Chipper talked about other issues but expressed similar concerns. Maybe Youk is just like Chipper and thinking, "I was really gungho for this WBC thing but now that I see what it really is, why am I even wasting my time?"

                The real question then is, is that just a natural state of something so new or is it successful enough for what it's intended? It has definitely gotten better since last time (and it helps that there was a last time for us to at least know WHAT was coming up going into it this year) so maybe they'll find ways to keep improving things. But it just doesn't seem built for me and you so I wonder how much it will grow to appeal more to me and you... and most importantly, these players that get paid a lot of money to play a season that starts shortly after the WBC (which doesn't do a good job of preparing them for that season).

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                • CMH
                  Making you famous
                  • Oct 2002
                  • 26203

                  #113
                  Re: Kevin Youkilis speaks out on American W.B.C support

                  Well, even after the injury, Youk talked about how much fun it was and that he doesn't agree with anyone that thinks it's a waste of time.

                  It seemed like a little jab at Chipper. But, that's just speculation on my part.

                  edit: Here it is.

                  "It definitely was an awesome experience," the Boston first baseman said Thursday. "I'd recommend it for all the guys in, I guess, four years from now, to totally do it. I had a blast. I had a great time."
                  Youkilis left Team USA on Wednesday during the second round of the WBC because of a mild left ankle sprain and mild Achilles' tendinitis in his left foot. He will miss the semifinals this weekend in Los Angeles, too.
                  The slugger was back at Red Sox camp Thursday, wearing a hard plastic boot on his ailing foot.
                  "It was very disappointing for me to come home. But this was something that didn't just start a couple days ago. This was something that's been going on for a couple weeks now," Youkilis said. "I know people — I've been hearing that this is the WBC's fault. This is a stupid idea, this thing. It's not. It's a great thing. We had fun. It was a blast. It was an honor to represent your country."
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