Schilling of Red Sox retires with 'zero regrets'

[SPTO]

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Well I personally don't think he's a HOFer either. I was just going under the assumption that if he got there he'd have a Phillies hat on.

He was a very good pitcher for a long stretch of time though.

[Misfit]

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Good blog post by Neyer on the subject:

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/...name=Neyer_Rob

He was a good pitcher with the Phillies, but became a Hall of Famer with the Diamondbacks. He won two championships with Boston, but really only on the strength of one plus season. I was never a big supporter of Schilling for the Hall until maybe a year ago when I really gave it a look. Some of the numbers he put up in Philli were insane and did not match his won loss record. In '98 for instance, he had a 15-14 record despite pitching 268 innings, throwing 15 complete games, and striking out 300 hitters. He was 14-11 in '92 even though he posted a 2.35 ERA. And then his seasons in Arizona were second only to Randy Johnson, which isn't bad company. Had he been on better teams his win totals would look better, but why penalize a guy for that? I think he'll get in, but it will take some time. There are plenty of writers who won't vote for him for reasons that need no mention, but they'll warm up eventually after they feel like he's suffered enough.

[rsox]

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Falls short of the HOF. I don't like to value wins so much, but 216 is not enough. If he makes it at that number then Blyleven deserves to be joined at the hip in his induction ceremony.

Schilling's postseason resume is what will get him in the HoF:

2.23 ERA, 11-2 record, 120 k's, and only 25 walks in 133.1 innings. And of course there is the whole bloody sock thing.

[Scottdau]

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He is not a hall of famer in my opinion. He is a good pitcher, but not great. He only has 217 wins.

[Scottdau]

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Schilling's postseason resume is what will get him in the HoF:

2.23 ERA, 11-2 record, 120 k's, and only 25 walks in 133.1 innings. And of course there is the whole bloody sock thing.

Yeah those are good numbers. That could get in him, but I doubt it. Baseball is the hardest hall to get into. You have to be very good to get it in. And one thing that a Pitcher usually has to have is 300 wins.

[tyler289]

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I have no problem with Schilling, he just spoke his mind, I tend to prefer that over canned generic responses. I'm not sure about HOF, does Schilling deserve to get in over Mike Mussina (who is a maybe)?

[Kelverin]

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He will get in, not first ballot. His post season stats will do the trick.

[BaseballCtchr]

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Yeah those are good numbers. That could get in him, but I doubt it. Baseball is the hardest hall to get into. You have to be very good to get it in. And one thing that a Pitcher usually has to have is 300 wins.

I am not saying he should get in but the HOF better change the criteria for pitchers getting in because the days of 300 game winners may be over.

[Scottdau]

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I am not saying he should get in but the HOF better change the criteria for pitchers getting in because the days of 300 game winners may be over.

I agree, but I doubt they will. They are pretty big on tradition.

[Misfit]

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He is not a hall of famer in my opinion. He is a good pitcher, but not great. He only has 217 wins.

Catfish Hunter is in and was a no doubter with a career record of 224-166. Schilling's mark of 216-146 is a better winning percentage. His ERA+ is 127, his career ERA is 27% lower than that of his peers in his era. Everyone with 200 wins and an ERA 25% lower than the average mark of their era is in.

[CMH]

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Rob Neyer's argument is the most sufficient one I've seen in the past day.

I read an article where someone defended Schilling's induction based on the following things (absolutely disregarding any of his stats in the process):

1. Bloody sock.
2. Winning Game 5 for the Phillies vs. the Blue Jays
3. Calling out the Yankees on their Aura and Mystique.
4. Being a part of the team that came back from 3-0 against the Yankees.

Seriously.

[twiztiddarkangelman]

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Schilling was and is a big mouth blowhard. He totally throws his peers under the bus. And. . . remember him before congress. What happened to his voice then? Oh and he looks like Barney Rubble. And the whole bloody sock incident. LOL come on Schilling is a drama queen. I'm sure if you took a poll among players and writers, he is not very well liked. So that may or may not affect the HOF. I would put him in for his post season record for sure, less the dramatics.

[tyler289]

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Rob Neyer's argument is the most sufficient one I've seen in the past day.

I read an article where someone defended Schilling's induction based on the following things (absolutely disregarding any of his stats in the process):

1. Bloody sock.
2. Winning Game 5 for the Phillies vs. the Blue Jays
3. Calling out the Yankees on their Aura and Mystique.
4. Being a part of the team that came back from 3-0 against the Yankees.

Seriously.

LOL, wow. There are arguments for Schilling, but citing those 4 things (ESPECIALLY the last two) as the reasons are ridiculous.

[CMH]

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LOL, wow. There are arguments for Schilling, but citing those 4 things (ESPECIALLY the last two) as the reasons are ridiculous.

Took me a while to find it again, but here's the link:

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/notebook?page=bbtn/090323

I forgot who had written it at the time. It's Karl Ravech. Why am I not surprised?

He wasn't as serious about using only those moments to define Schilling's career, but he does try to make a case because of them.