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  • Blzer
    Resident film pundit
    • Mar 2004
    • 42520

    #16
    Re: OT: Pitchers should be better hitters

    Originally posted by Scottdau
    You are off my friend. They need to work on pitching more. The more time you spend on hitting that is less time you can do for pitching.
    Which makes me wonder how some pitchers are so poor at what they do to begin with. Let's be honest here as faithful Giants fans: Barry Zito doesn't look like a pitcher when he's up there throwing. His fastball tops out 4 MPH slower than Lincecum's changeup, his curveballs miss up in the zone and his changeup can't find the zone. His work ethic - to - results provided ratio shows that his practice as a pitcher is paying off less dividends than his practice at the plate, and that's saying something for the awful hitter that he is.

    Here's the other issue... they spend very much time on things other than just pitching, as pitchers. They focus on PFP, pickoffs, etc. I know it's costly to overthrow a pickoff, but it can't be much harder than throwing a strike at the plate (I wasn't that bad at pickoffs when I pitched, actually).

    I'm just saying that they should be very familiar with batting at this point in time. They've done it when they were young, they do it every game that they pitch, and they do it for batting practice. They should understand a pitcher's mentality as well as anyone, and I can always throw out the ol' cliche "I can hit twice as good as him" remark.

    As for the statement about draft players, they would be much better hitters than pitchers. I'm not saying they would hit much better, but they would be much better hitters. There's a big difference and that's what I'm mostly trying to spell out. I want a pitcher out there that looks like an athlete while at the plate, that actually knows what he's doing, that I don't have to rule out the possibility of a hit in any given at bat. I mean the majority of them just look straight dumb at the plate.

    Plus, don't position players "focus" on many other things besides hitting as well? They need to work on fielding their position, they need to work on baserunning, I mean it doesn't really end for them either. I'm not saying that they do routines in fielding as often as pitchers do in the pen, but to say that they just focus on hitting isn't a correct statement.

    I believe this can be quite fair to make a comparison with the statement "Designated hitters should be better fielders." They've played the game, they understand how it works, and when the time comes that AL teams need to play in an NL yard they are expected to get the job done in a decent manner in the field. It's not their first time out there and they can assure it won't be their last as long as they hit better than the next guy.

    These are professionals that have been playing this game for a long time. I'm sure that, with only a slight change of their workout routine or how they are coached, that they can at least give me hope to come through every once in a while.
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    • Scottdau
      Banned
      • Feb 2003
      • 32580

      #17
      Re: OT: Pitchers should be better hitters

      OK first just becasue you were a stud hitter in HS doesn't make you a stud hitter in the Majors. They are too busy learning how to pitch to also learn how to hit in the Majors. Also, there are some pitchers that are just natural hitters. So they will do better than other pitcher. And Blzer for the love of man, please write less with you are trying to prove your point.

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      • JBH3
        Marvel's Finest
        • Jan 2007
        • 13506

        #18
        Re: OT: Pitchers should be better hitters

        Originally posted by Blzer
        Which makes me wonder how some pitchers are so poor at what they do to begin with. Let's be honest here as faithful Giants fans: Barry Zito doesn't look like a pitcher when he's up there throwing. His fastball tops out 4 MPH slower than Lincecum's changeup, his curveballs miss up in the zone and his changeup can't find the zone. His work ethic - to - results provided ratio shows that his practice as a pitcher is paying off less dividends than his practice at the plate, and that's saying something for the awful hitter that he is.

        Here's the other issue... they spend very much time on things other than just pitching, as pitchers. They focus on PFP, pickoffs, etc. I know it's costly to overthrow a pickoff, but it can't be much harder than throwing a strike at the plate (I wasn't that bad at pickoffs when I pitched, actually).

        I'm just saying that they should be very familiar with batting at this point in time. They've done it when they were young, they do it every game that they pitch, and they do it for batting practice. They should understand a pitcher's mentality as well as anyone, and I can always throw out the ol' cliche "I can hit twice as good as him" remark.

        As for the statement about draft players, they would be much better hitters than pitchers. I'm not saying they would hit much better, but they would be much better hitters. There's a big difference and that's what I'm mostly trying to spell out. I want a pitcher out there that looks like an athlete while at the plate, that actually knows what he's doing, that I don't have to rule out the possibility of a hit in any given at bat. I mean the majority of them just look straight dumb at the plate.

        Plus, don't position players "focus" on many other things besides hitting as well? They need to work on fielding their position, they need to work on baserunning, I mean it doesn't really end for them either. I'm not saying that they do routines in fielding as often as pitchers do in the pen, but to say that they just focus on hitting isn't a correct statement.

        I believe this can be quite fair to make a comparison with the statement "Designated hitters should be better fielders." They've played the game, they understand how it works, and when the time comes that AL teams need to play in an NL yard they are expected to get the job done in a decent manner in the field. It's not their first time out there and they can assure it won't be their last as long as they hit better than the next guy.

        These are professionals that have been playing this game for a long time. I'm sure that, with only a slight change of their workout routine or how they are coached, that they can at least give me hope to come through every once in a while.
        So where's the long version?
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        • duke776
          MVP
          • Nov 2006
          • 3044

          #19
          Re: OT: Pitchers should be better hitters

          Ted Lilly is quite funny to watch bat sometimes, a good example was his first AB today.

          About the topic on hand though, I don't expect pitchers to be better hitters and I doubt it will change much in years to come.

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          • ComfortablyLomb
            MVP
            • Sep 2003
            • 3548

            #20
            Re: OT: Pitchers should be better hitters

            Interestingly, it's actually kind of difficult to hit major league pitching. This might factor into the equation.

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            • Speedy
              #Ace
              • Apr 2008
              • 16143

              #21
              Re: OT: Pitchers should be better hitters

              First thing I thought of when I read the title of the thread:

              <EMBED src=http://www.youtube.com/v/4ltD21rYWVw&hl=en&fs=1 width=425 height=344 type=application/x-shockwave-flash allowfullscreen="true" allowscriptaccess="always"></EMBED><O</O
              Originally posted by Gibson88
              Anyone who asked for an ETA is not being Master of their Domain.
              It's hard though...especially when I got my neighbor playing their franchise across the street...maybe I will occupy myself with Glamore Magazine.

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              • moemoe24
                Rookie
                • Oct 2007
                • 1996

                #22
                Re: OT: Pitchers should be better hitters

                Originally posted by jim416
                I don't think watching the NL is boring at all. Pitchers batting adds an entire different strategy to the game. Do you pull a pitcher late in the game whose pitching well and in a tie game, or even down or up a run, with a runner on second, or not, etc., etc. I'm totally against the DL, but understand why some people like it, but not for me. Hope the NL never goes that route.
                That's why I always play with NL teams in these baseball games. It's more fun when you have to make tough decisions.

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                • duke776
                  MVP
                  • Nov 2006
                  • 3044

                  #23
                  Re: OT: Pitchers should be better hitters

                  Originally posted by WakeUnc2321
                  First thing I thought of when I read the title of the thread:

                  <EMBED src=http://www.youtube.com/v/4ltD21rYWVw&hl=en&fs=1 width=425 height=344 type=application/x-shockwave-flash allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true"></EMBED><O</O
                  One of the best commercials of all time IMO.

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