Is it just me, or is there a handful of cycles and no hitters this year already?

[CMH]

Re: Is it just me, or is there a handful of cycles and no hitters this year already?

What about 27 strikeouts in 9 innings!?! Ha!

[Chizzypoof]

Re: Is it just me, or is there a handful of cycles and no hitters this year already?

Where does the triple play rank? Extremely luck based?

Not extremely luck based, but right place right time. I love the triple play when they are turned around the horn.

I had this bar conversation before, 20+ K's or a no hitter. My opinion, 20k's is a dominant performance. The ball went into play 7 times for outs. That means he has the batters guessing the entire game. If a pitcher is struggling with command, there is no way he is striking out 20.

The two most recent lines:

Kerry Wood: 1h 0r 0rbi 20k
Roger Clemens: 5h 0r 0rbi 20k

Even Clemens' first 20k game he only allowed 3hits and 1 run.

Now let me clarify, I said dominant. The no-hitter is still a major feat to accomplish, and the perfect game is still the greatest. 20k's is pwnage :wink:.

[wwharton]

Re: Is it just me, or is there a handful of cycles and no hitters this year already?

A no-hitter is slightly more rare than a cycle.

Since 1875, there have been 286 cycles in MLB history (an average of about 2.13 per season) and 256 no-hitters have been thrown (an average of about 2.00 per season).

Thanks for digging that up.

Sandman, why does a no hitter being more of a team accomplishment diminish it? That's what Gammons was eluding to also. Sure if you're talking about the pitcher you can say it wasn't really HIS no hitter but if we're comparing the feats (no hitter vs cycle) and not the players that accomplish them, then why does it matter?

[Chizzypoof]

Re: Is it just me, or is there a handful of cycles and no hitters this year already?

What about 27 strikeouts in 9 innings!?! Ha!

That's a 1st ballot Hall of Fame game. I thought about that often. Now imagine on 81 pitches.

[JBH3]

Re: Is it just me, or is there a handful of cycles and no hitters this year already?

Since the end of this thread title says "no hitters already."

When was a no-hitter thrown this year? Did I miss something?

[fistofrage]

Re: Is it just me, or is there a handful of cycles and no hitters this year already?

When looking at no-hitters, remember, these also include rain shortened games and some that were completed by multiple pitchers used in the same game. Don't know how many, but the "true" no hitters numbers meaning 1 pitcher minimum 9 innings is less than what you see.

I remember watching the Andy Hawkins No-Hitter that he lost. A walk, an error, a sac fly and another error and 2 runs scored is how I believe it ended.

[Speedy]

Re: Is it just me, or is there a handful of cycles and no hitters this year already?

Since the end of this thread title says "no hitters already."

When was a no-hitter thrown this year? Did I miss something?

I was thinking the same thing...Also, who had a no-hitter and lost last year? He played for the Angels - was it Jered Weaver?

[Blzer]

Re: Is it just me, or is there a handful of cycles and no hitters this year already?

When looking at no-hitters, remember, these also include rain shortened games and some that were completed by multiple pitchers used in the same game. Don't know how many, but the "true" no hitters numbers meaning 1 pitcher minimum 9 innings is less than what you see.

Well, it also has to be a complete game (in some people's eyes). There is more than one pitcher to have thrown a no-hitter after nine innings but for the game to go to extra innings. I remember when Mark Gardner did it after nine complete and got it broken up in the tenth against Montreal.

Alright, how about this example: a pitcher ends up losing the game in his no-hitter attempt because of the exact reasons that you put, but he did it before the ninth inning and he was on the away team. So the home team shuts down the away team in the ninth, and he's not even able to go back out there for one more inning to throw nine complete innings and go for that specific no-hitter based on the qualifications you just stated. Would that be considered a no-hitter worth recognizing? It's not even like rain was a part of the equation, it was simply just that they lost the game and the home team didn't have to bat again. No-hitter, or yes-hitter?

[Ewing]

Re: Is it just me, or is there a handful of cycles and no hitters this year already?

That's a 1st ballot Hall of Fame game. I thought about that often. Now imagine on 81 pitches.

Steve Nebraska



Striking out all 27 St. Louis Cardinals batters on 81 consecutive pitches. Facing Ozzie Smith with two outs in the ninth inning, Nebraska's 81st and final pitch of the game is so fast that it knocks down his catcher and the home plate umpire. Nebraska also hits 2 home runs to account for the only scoring in the 2-0 victory.

[fistofrage]

Re: Is it just me, or is there a handful of cycles and no hitters this year already?

Well, it also has to be a complete game (in some people's eyes). There is more than one pitcher to have thrown a no-hitter after nine innings but for the game to go to extra innings. I remember when Mark Gardner did it after nine complete and got it broken up in the tenth against Montreal.

Alright, how about this example: a pitcher ends up losing the game in his no-hitter attempt because of the exact reasons that you put, but he did it before the ninth inning and he was on the away team. So the home team shuts down the away team in the ninth, and he's not even able to go back out there for one more inning to throw nine complete innings and go for that specific no-hitter based on the qualifications you just stated. Would that be considered a no-hitter worth recognizing? It's not even like rain was a part of the equation, it was simply just that they lost the game and the home team didn't have to bat again. No-hitter, or yes-hitter?

Its a no-hitter. At least MLB recognizes it as one.

Thats what I'm saying if you look at the number of no-hitters that MLB has on record, they are not all of the 1 pitcher 9 iinning variety.

Vida Blue has a 5 inning no hitter......

So out of the 200 or so No Hitters on record, there are some included in there that aren't "true" no hitters. Thats all I'm saying. They are even a bit more rare than what history would indicate.

No hitters 1970-1998...Just for an example

No Hitters Since 1970
Date Player Name Team/Opponent Score Comment
1970 (4)
Jun 12 Dock Ellis Pit at SD NL 2-0 1st game of DH
Jul 03 Clyde Wright Cal vs Oak AL 4-0
Jul 20 Bill Singer LA vs Phi NL 5-0
Sep 21 Vida Blue Oak vs Min AL 6-0

1971 (3)
Jun 03 Ken Holtzman CHC at Cin NL 1-0 2nd career no-hitter
Jun 23 Rick Wise Phi at Cin NL 4-0
Aug 14 Bob Gibson StL at Pit NL 11-0

Date Player Name Team/Opponent Score Comment
1972 (3)
Apr 16 Burt Hooton CHC vs Phi NL 4-0
Sep 02 Milt Pappas CHC vs SD NL 8-0
Oct 02 Bill Stoneman Mtl vs NYM NL 7-0 1st of DH, 2nd no-hitter

1973 (5)
Apr 27 Steve Busby KC at Det AL 3-0
May 15 Nolan Ryan Cal at KC AL 3-0
Jul 15 Nolan Ryan Cal at Det AL 6-0 2nd career no-hitter
Jul 20 Jim Bibby Tex at Oak AL 6-0
Aug 05 Phil Niekro Atl vs SD NL 9-0

Date Player Name Team/Opponent Score Comment
1974 (3)
Jun 19 Steve Busby KC at Mil AL 2-0 2nd career no-hitter
Jul 19 Dick Bosman Cle vs Oak AL 4-0
Sep 28 Nolan Ryan Cal vs Min AL 4-0 3rd career no-hitter

1975 (3)
Jun 01 Nolan Ryan Cal vs Bal AL 1-0 4th career no-hitter
Aug 24 Ed Halicki SF vs NYM NL 6-0 2nd game of DH
Sep 28 Vida Blue Oak vs Cal AL 5-0 5 innings, 2nd no-hitter*
Glenn Abbott 1 inning
Paul Lindblad 1 inning
Rollie Fingers 2 innings

Date Player Name Team/Opponent Score Comment
1976 (4)
Jul 09 Larry Dierker Hou vs Mtl NL 5-0
Jul 28 Blue Moon Odom CHW at Oak AL 6-0 5 innings
Francisco Barrios 4 innings
Aug 09 John Candelaria Pit vs LA NL 2-0
Sep 29 John Montefusco SF at Atl 9-0

1977 (3)
May 14 Jim Colborn KC vs Tex AL 6-0
May 30 Dennis Eckersley Cle vs Cal AL 1-0
Sep 22 Bert Blyleven Tex at Cal AL 6-0

Date Player Name Team/Opponent Score Comment
1978 (2)
Apr 16 Bob Forsch StL vs Phi NL 5-0
Jun 16 Tom Seaver Cin vs StL NL 4-0

1979 (1)
Apr 07 Ken Forsch Hou vs AtL NL 6-0

1980 (1)
Jun 27 Jerry Reuss LA at SF NL 8-0

Date Player Name Team/Opponent Score Comment
1981 (3)
May 10 Charlie Lea Mtl vs SF NL 4-0 2nd game of DH
May 15 Len Barker Cle vs Tor AL 3-0 Perfect game
Sep 26 Nolan Ryan Hou vs LA NL 5-0 5th career no-hitter

1982 (0)

1983 (3)
Jul 04 Dave Righetti NY vs Bos AL 4-0
Sep 26 Bob Forsch StL vs Mtl NL 3-0 2nd career no-hitter
Sep 29 Mike Warren Oak vs CHW AL 3-0

1984 (2)
Apr 07 Jack Morris Det at CHW AL 4-0
Sep 30 Mike Witt Cal at Tex AL 1-0 Perfect game

Date Player Name Team/Opponent Score Comment
1985 (0)

1986 (2)
Sep 19 Joe Cowley CHW at Cal AL 7-1
Sep 25 Mike Scott Hou vs SF NL 2-0

1987 (1)
Apr 15 Juan Nieves Mil vs Bal AL 7-0

1988 (1)
Sep 16 Tom Browning Cin vs LA NL 1-0 Perfect game

1989 (0)

Date Player Name Team/Opponent Score Comment
1990 (8)
Apr 11 Mark Langston Cal vs Sea AL 1-0 7 innings
Mike Witt 2 innings (2nd no-hitter)*
Jun 02 Randy Johnson Sea vs Det AL 2-0
Jun 11 Nolan Ryan Tex at Oak AL 5-0 6th career no-hitter
Jun 29 Dave Stewart Oak at Tor AL 5-0
Jun 29 Fernando Valenzuela LA vs StL NL 6-0
Jul 01 Andy Hawkins NYY at CHW AL 0-4 8 innings, lost the game
Aug 15 Terry Mulholland Phi vs SF NL 6-0
Sep 02 Dave Stieb Tor at Det AL 3-0

Date Player Name Team/Opponent Score Comment
1991 (8)
May 01 Nolan Ryan Tex vs Tor AL 3-0 7th career no-hitter
May 23 Tommy Greene Phi vs Mtl NL 2-0
Jul 13 Bob Milacki Bal vs Oak AL 2-0 6 innings
Mike Flanagan 1 inning
Mark Williamson 1 inning
Gregg Olson 1 inning
Jul 26 Mark Gardner Mtl vs LA NL 0-1 9 IP, lost game in 10th
Jul 28 Dennis Martinez Mtl vs LA NL 2-0 Perfect game
Aug 11 Wilson Alvarez CHW vs Bal AL 7-0
Aug 26 Bret Saberhagen KC vs CHW AL 7-0
Sep 11 Kent Mercker Atl vs SD NL 1-0 6 innings
Mark Wohlers 2 innings
Alejandro Pena 1 inning

1992 (2)
Apr 12 Matt Young Bos vs Cle AL 1-2 8 innings, lost game
Aug 17 Kevin Gross LA vs SF NL 2-0

Date Player Name Team/Opponent Score Comment
1993 (3)
Apr 22 Chris Bosio Sea vs Bos AL 7-0
Sep 04 Jim Abbott NYY vs Cle AL 4-0
Sep 08 Darryl Kile Hou vs NYM NL 7-1

1994 (3)
Apr 08 Kent Mercker Atl at LA NL 6-0 2nd career no-hitter*
Apr 27 Scott Erickson Min vs Mil AL 13-0
Jul 28 Kenny Rogers Tex vs Cal AL 6-0 Perfect game

1995 (1)
Jul 14 Ramon Martinez LA vs Fla NL 7-0

1996 (3)
May 11 Al Leiter Fla vs Col NL 11-0
May 14 Dwight Gooden NYY vs Sea AL 2-0
Sep 17 Hideo Nomo LA at Col NL 9-0

Date Player Name Team/Opponent Score Comment
1997 (2)
Jun 10 Kevin Brown Fla at SF NL 9-0
Jul 12 Francisco Cordova Pit vs Hou NL 3-0 9 innings
Ricardo Rincon 1 inning

1998 (1)
May 17 David Wells NY vs Min AL 4-0 Perfect game

[Chizzypoof]

Re: Is it just me, or is there a handful of cycles and no hitters this year already?

Steve Nebraska

That made me laugh more than it should have. I don't even remember that movie (The Scout).

[alex96]

Re: Is it just me, or is there a handful of cycles and no hitters this year already?

Since the end of this thread title says "no hitters already."

When was a no-hitter thrown this year? Did I miss something?

I meant a handful of no hitter chances.

[Blzer]

Re: Is it just me, or is there a handful of cycles and no hitters this year already?

I meant a handful of no hitter chances.

Let me tell you something, every pitcher steps on the mound with a no-hitter chance in the first inning. Exactly when is the line drawn, or the recognition notified? The fifth?

You know what I love? When announcers make note of, "Well, aside from that bad five run inning he's been doing well." Well, you can't just set five runs aside, whether they're in one inning or five. A bad outing is just that, and if you don't pull the leash quickly enough, a good one can go sour very quickly.

Stan Ross wasn't going to go in the Hall of Fame with 2,997 hits, and Mike Mussina wasn't recognized two days after being a strike away from a perfect game against Boston. Because he didn't throw it. It's not enough to get close. Barry Bonds gets bashed for it by every Pirate and Brave fan that remembers that 1992 NLCS game that he didn't throw out Bream. Didn't matter how close it got, the run scored and the Braves won.

This is where we get "So close, yet so far away" from.

[alex96]

Re: Is it just me, or is there a handful of cycles and no hitters this year already?

Let me tell you something, every pitcher steps on the mound with a no-hitter chance in the first inning. Exactly when is the line drawn, or the recognition notified? The fifth?

You know what I love? When announcers make note of, "Well, aside from that bad five run inning he's been doing well." Well, you can't just set five runs aside, whether they're in one inning or five. A bad outing is just that, and if you don't pull the leash quickly enough, a good one can go sour very quickly.

Stan Ross wasn't going to go in the Hall of Fame with 2,997 hits, and Mike Mussina wasn't recognized two days after being a strike away from a perfect game against Boston. Because he didn't throw it. It's not enough to get close. Barry Bonds gets bashed for it by every Pirate and Brave fan that remembers that 1992 NLCS game that he didn't throw out Bream. Didn't matter how close it got, the run scored and the Braves won.

This is where we get "So close, yet so far away" from.

MY POINT exactly! Although I consider 6 to 8th close

[Speedy]

Re: Is it just me, or is there a handful of cycles and no hitters this year already?

I was thinking the same thing...Also, who had a no-hitter and lost last year? He played for the Angels - was it Jered Weaver?

Anybody?