How did Barry Bonds get so great so fast?

[Kelvarr]

Re: How did Barry Bonds get so great so fast?

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MuffinMcFluffin said:
Hey EaglesFan, I'm not going to hate or anything, but let me tell you something...

Right now you see Austin Kearns and Adam Dunn, possibly the two best &lt;25 players in the majors (not counting Pujols), and they are not the biggest people, but they still have some big guns. Look at Austin Kearns... I think he's 23 years old, and he's 6'3" and 220 lbs. He already has 10 hrs (so does Dunn). Now, I still believe they are not on roids, but people are going to forget how big/small they were now, and 15 years later, they will be the largest guys in the Bigs. Kearns will probably grow another inch or two and gain about 20 more pounds, but he will be really bulk and break Bonds's HR record. However, him being so big and crushing all of these homers does not mean he's juicing. He's just a growing kid, like you and me. People will get bigger, and sometimes a change can be QUICK.

I mean, my good friend Zach (although is 14 and has already gone through his... stage) moved to Arkansas at the beginning of the summer (he was 5'9"). He calls me 5 months later, and he's 6'2"!!! That is SCARY [censored]! But he's not juicing.

I HIGHLY doubt Bonds is juicing. And if he is, why isn't he hitting as well this year? It's because of his swing. It's not as good as last year's, and he even said it. During the Philly series, his swing was UGLY! Then during the Cubs series he got it back together and more compact, and now he's almost like last year again.

He may have gotten bigger, but the main reason why he's hitting so well is because of his swing. Sorry I got off topic a bit.

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I highly doubt that Kearns and Dunn will grow taller....they are 23 years old man! You stop growing up aroun 16~18. Beyond that, you grow out, not up. Sure, they will get bigger, heavier and put on more muscle...no one is arguing that that happened to Bonds.

What everyone is saying is just how much bigger Bonds has gotten and how fast he has done it. Personally, I don't like him...never have, never will. I wish McGwire still held the HR record, but hey....records are meant to be broken. Does Bonds use steroids? Who knows...only him prolly. Does that mean that I am defending Sosa or McGwire? No.

But, this kiddie stuff about "I/he/she/it grew 6 inches and put on 40 pounds over the summer" stuff has got to stop. You don't grow like that once you reach about 20 y/o. That kind of growing is called puberty, and it is done naturally...beyond 20 y/o, you will not grow like that (unless you are some freak of nature). Yes, you can still put on the weight, yes he has an (assuming) awesome training regimen. Yes, he has a very compact swing and is just locked in....

[pfunk]

Re: How did Barry Bonds get so great so fast?

yeah, no more refrences to people going through puberty please! I am still bitter that I got stuck on 5'9", where is my growth spurt dammit! If only you really could grow taller after age 25, that would rock!

[pfunk]

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yeah, no more refrences to people going through puberty please! I am still bitter that I got stuck on 5'9", where is my growth spurt dammit! If only you really could grow taller after age 25, that would rock!

[GameDude]

Re: How did Barry Bonds get so great so fast?

Yeah, and stop putting pictures taken several years apart side by side and comparing the two. Of course he is going to look different.

EaglesFan, that is the first time I've seen you say that you THINK that he is doing steroids. That is fine, everyone has a right to think whatever they want. The problem people have had with your statements before are that you have been saying that he is DEFINITELY doing steroids, like you know something that the rest of us don't. That is why a lot of people have been getting pissed off. I'm glad you finally understand what we've been talking about.

[GameDude]

Re: How did Barry Bonds get so great so fast?

Yeah, and stop putting pictures taken several years apart side by side and comparing the two. Of course he is going to look different.

EaglesFan, that is the first time I've seen you say that you THINK that he is doing steroids. That is fine, everyone has a right to think whatever they want. The problem people have had with your statements before are that you have been saying that he is DEFINITELY doing steroids, like you know something that the rest of us don't. That is why a lot of people have been getting pissed off. I'm glad you finally understand what we've been talking about.

[EaglesFan]

Re: How did Barry Bonds get so great so fast?

I could have sworn that him AND Sosa denied tests, which is what made it fact.

And as far as comparing those photos, I don't see anything wrong with making those comparisons.

[EaglesFan]

Re: How did Barry Bonds get so great so fast?

I could have sworn that him AND Sosa denied tests, which is what made it fact.

And as far as comparing those photos, I don't see anything wrong with making those comparisons.

[MuffinMcFluffin]

Re: How did Barry Bonds get so great so fast?

I don't see anything wrong either, except for the fact that he almost looks the exact same... only bigger cheeks.

[MuffinMcFluffin]

Re: How did Barry Bonds get so great so fast?

I don't see anything wrong either, except for the fact that he almost looks the exact same... only bigger cheeks.

[EaglesFan]

Re: How did Barry Bonds get so great so fast?

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MuffinMcFluffin said:
I don't see anything wrong either, except for the fact that he almost looks the exact same... only bigger cheeks.

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Open your eyes dude, he's at least twice the size. That doesn't just happen because of a good work ethic.

[EaglesFan]

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MuffinMcFluffin said:
I don't see anything wrong either, except for the fact that he almost looks the exact same... only bigger cheeks.

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Open your eyes dude, he's at least twice the size. That doesn't just happen because of a good work ethic.

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EaglesFan said:
I could have sworn that him AND Sosa denied tests, which is what made it fact.

And as far as comparing those photos, I don't see anything wrong with making those comparisons.

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As I pointed out earlier, even if they did refuse to be tested that does not make them guilty. They CANNOT be tested until the players association approves of the testing, if they did, they would be calling out everyone else in baseball and that would essentially end their membership in the union. At least that is how they see it. If they were truly crusading against steroid use, they could get tested and that would force the union to make it an issue for other players because those guys are too big to get tossed from the union. But I don't think either of them are the kind of guys who would make those kind of waves, even if they are clean. Their refusal to get personally tested would not make them at all guilty. In fact it is totally unfair to ask them to get tested publicly when all their peers are being tested privatly and randomly. I know the simple solution seems to be for them to get tested publicly, but it is not where the game is at right now, there are far too many complications attatched to the issue thanks to the union.

Again, i am not defending either of them, they could be juicing, but to say that not wanting to take the test makes them guilty is false logic.

[pfunk]

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EaglesFan said:
I could have sworn that him AND Sosa denied tests, which is what made it fact.

And as far as comparing those photos, I don't see anything wrong with making those comparisons.

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As I pointed out earlier, even if they did refuse to be tested that does not make them guilty. They CANNOT be tested until the players association approves of the testing, if they did, they would be calling out everyone else in baseball and that would essentially end their membership in the union. At least that is how they see it. If they were truly crusading against steroid use, they could get tested and that would force the union to make it an issue for other players because those guys are too big to get tossed from the union. But I don't think either of them are the kind of guys who would make those kind of waves, even if they are clean. Their refusal to get personally tested would not make them at all guilty. In fact it is totally unfair to ask them to get tested publicly when all their peers are being tested privatly and randomly. I know the simple solution seems to be for them to get tested publicly, but it is not where the game is at right now, there are far too many complications attatched to the issue thanks to the union.

Again, i am not defending either of them, they could be juicing, but to say that not wanting to take the test makes them guilty is false logic.

[GameDude]

Re: How did Barry Bonds get so great so fast?

EaglesFan, It's because the comparison photos could have been taken several years apart. We don't know when they were taken. They could have been taken 7 years apart, and of course he would look different. Look at a picture of yourself 7 years ago, and see the difference.

Also, just because Sosa refused a test (Bonds didn't by the way), that does not make it fact. There are many things at play, like they don't want to do anything that goes against the union. That would be the main factor for anyone in baseball for refusing a test like that. You just don't go against the solidarity of the union. Just ask the scab players who were never allowed into the union (Rick Reed, Benny Agbayani, etc).

[GameDude]

Re: How did Barry Bonds get so great so fast?

EaglesFan, It's because the comparison photos could have been taken several years apart. We don't know when they were taken. They could have been taken 7 years apart, and of course he would look different. Look at a picture of yourself 7 years ago, and see the difference.

Also, just because Sosa refused a test (Bonds didn't by the way), that does not make it fact. There are many things at play, like they don't want to do anything that goes against the union. That would be the main factor for anyone in baseball for refusing a test like that. You just don't go against the solidarity of the union. Just ask the scab players who were never allowed into the union (Rick Reed, Benny Agbayani, etc).