7 out of 10 top modern-day home run hitters on the juice...and counting

[Blzer]

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When exactly do you think that steroids were prohibited by the commissioner in baseball?

M.K.
Knight165

Sorry, I think I'm confusing banning steroids and instituting a drug test policy.

[ehh]

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I don't how anyone could be surprised if Griffey Jr juiced.

[wwharton]

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all of this coming out in baseball is just a reality check. Those that freak out about PEDs should probably stop watching pro sports all together, because performance enhancers are a part of professional sports. There is a fine line between what is legal and not legal and what is testable and what is not testable...but pro athletes are constantly searching for an edge.

Most people only freak out when it happens in baseball. Why do people not care when many of the 70s Steelers admit to abusing steroids...or when Harrison and Merriman are suspended for using PEDs? Merriman was voted to the pro bowl the same season.

btw, is Tiger Woods getting lasik eye surgery considered "performance enhancing"? The golfers before his time who had the records Tiger is breaking didnt have access to that technology. (of course Woods isnt cheating, im not saying that, it's just an example of the fine line when talking about "performance enhancing")

Exactly. Been saying it for a while but it falls on deaf ears. I was waiting for Brian Roberts and others to get drilled for the eye surgery that gave them better than 20/20 vision. Baseball players with perfectly fine vision have gotten it and it seems obviously "performance enhancing" if you ask me.

PEDs became an issue when kids began dying. That's it. Players died, kids died... very good reason to ban and get a better control over what players were taken. Guys began being looked at as evil when they started lying to the grand jury. The media connected all of this to records and how sacred baseball stats are. PEDs have been in the game forever, just like spitballs and corked bats. I still don't understand why so many panties are in a bunch.

[sb24]

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I don't how anyone could be surprised if Griffey Jr juiced.

Since your the only one i have read say that, Why?

Iv been out of the loop on baseball for quite a few years but if Griffey juiced then all faith is lost in sports to me (ripken too). I expect players to juice. But only a some, i expect at least half the big names (not big hitters) to be nautural.

I really dont want to find out Griffey juiced. But im not ignorant to the fact it could have happened. Do you have reasons to think he juiced, or do you just think that most have?

[Blzer]

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I don't how anyone could be surprised if Griffey Jr juiced.

Juicing isn't a magic drug that makes you buff overnight. You still have to work at it. As far as I'm concerned, Griffey doesn't (and didn't) routinely hit the weight room. He's al natural when it comes to his swing, relying on mechanics over arm strength. Juicing wouldn't have brought him anywhere.

[SPTO]

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I don't how anyone could be surprised if Griffey Jr juiced.

The biggest knock on Griffey was that he never was much for the weight room so his conditioning wasn't the greatest. I remember seeing an old clip of Lou Pinella basically wondering how much better Griffey could be if he actually took better care of his body.

A lot of the injuries that Griffey suffered are more due to poor conditioning rather then being on roids.

[wwharton]

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Since your the only one i have read say that, Why?

Iv been out of the loop on baseball for quite a few years but if Griffey juiced then all faith is lost in sports to me (ripken too). I expect players to juice. But only a some, i expect at least half the big names (not big hitters) to be nautural.

I really dont want to find out Griffey juiced. But im not ignorant to the fact it could have happened. Do you have reasons to think he juiced, or do you just think that most have?

ehh can correct me if I'm wrong on what he meant (but this is my personal response) but I don't think Griffey used steroids but I wouldn't be "surprised" if he did.

If you think about anyone training for anything, especially something professional, they want to help their growth, ability, etc. Some get a dietitian, some take supplements, some eat 5 raw eggs or drink protein shakes, etc. All these things listed, steroids included, fall under the same category until it's found out that they have severely negative health implications. Otherwise, no sport has any problem with anyone taking any of them to help their development. The word "severe" creates a huge grey area, and what about all the people that took it before the research, injuries or deaths that made it become considered a "severe" health risk? In baseball, they're still considered cheaters even if they stop as soon as that happens. Makes no sense. I've got no problem with anyone that's done anything before rules clearly stated they couldn't. And I don't have any more of a problem with people caught using stuff on the list now than I do with spitballs, corked bats, sign stealing, etc. I don't remember the outrage for any of those things. People got suspended, fans moved on.

[Seahawk76]

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A lot of the injuries that Griffey suffered are more due to poor conditioning rather then being on roids.

Griffey's injuries are mainly the result of years of playing on Astroturf in the Kingdome and collisions with the outfield fence making catches.

There have never been any of the rumors or whispering about Griffey taking steroids that there have been about many of the other big name players. It's true that you can never be 100% sure about any player but it would shock just about everyone close to him if it came out that he was juicing. His HRs were the result of one of the most beautiful swings in baseball history.

[sb24]

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ehh can correct me if I'm wrong on what he meant (but this is my personal response) but I don't think Griffey used steroids but I wouldn't be "surprised" if he did.

If you think about anyone training for anything, especially something professional, they want to help their growth, ability, etc. Some get a dietitian, some take supplements, some eat 5 raw eggs or drink protein shakes, etc. All these things listed, steroids included, fall under the same category until it's found out that they have severely negative health implications. Otherwise, no sport has any problem with anyone taking any of them to help their development. The word "severe" creates a huge grey area, and what about all the people that took it before the research, injuries or deaths that made it become considered a "severe" health risk? In baseball, they're still considered cheaters even if they stop as soon as that happens. Makes no sense. I've got no problem with anyone that's done anything before rules clearly stated they couldn't. And I don't have any more of a problem with people caught using stuff on the list now than I do with spitballs, corked bats, sign stealing, etc. I don't remember the outrage for any of those things. People got suspended, fans moved on.

Ok i think i got you. Your talking about people taking things that are allowed, then the substance being banned? Not people who are taking what they know to be illegal for the illegal gain right?

If Griffey were to have "juiced" i would think it would fall in the first one. If i ever found out he took illegal stuff to have that advantage, id give up on sports.

[wwharton]

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Ok i think i got you. Your talking about people taking things that are allowed, then the substance being banned? Not people who are taking what they know to be illegal for the illegal gain right?

If Griffey were to have "juiced" i would think it would fall in the first one. If i ever found out he took illegal stuff to have that advantage, id give up on sports.

Exactly. If we found out Griffey took something last week then I'd definitely be shocked. But even then, I'd only be shocked, I wouldn't feel he was a huge cheater who disgraced the game. Now if he lied about it and got caught, that'd be a different story... especially if lied to the grand jury. But that's the part that's newsworthy and should bring a hit on his image, not actually taking the drugs in the first place. Players take all kinds of stuff to this day.

EDIT: after reading your post again, I want to add one thing. I don't think anything (steroids included) is banned because of the advantage it can give a player. Outside of things like track and field, sports don't control things to that level... they still don't. Things are banned because of the health risks to the players and the potential kids that would take them after seeing how they work on the pros. If steroids had little to no side effects, nobody in baseball would care if anyone took them.

So I am talking about people taking things that are allowed, then the substance gets banned. But I don't think there is a such thing as taking something illegal for the illegal gain. I think it's more like players not caring about the health risk (the true reason something is illegal) bc of the gain.

Hope that makes sense. It does give an unfair advantage if nobody else can take it and you do anyway, but I hate that it's now made to believe that it's illegal because it skews stats and records when that's a bunch of crap.

[jetercanoturn2]

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Steroids are so overhyped by the media it's becoming a joke, I'm sure some of these writers have never done anything wrong in their entire life.

[sb24]

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Exactly. If we found out Griffey took something last week then I'd definitely be shocked. But even then, I'd only be shocked, I wouldn't feel he was a huge cheater who disgraced the game. Now if he lied about it and got caught, that'd be a different story... especially if lied to the grand jury. But that's the part that's newsworthy and should bring a hit on his image, not actually taking the drugs in the first place. Players take all kinds of stuff to this day.

EDIT: after reading your post again, I want to add one thing. I don't think anything (steroids included) is banned because of the advantage it can give a player. Outside of things like track and field, sports don't control things to that level... they still don't. Things are banned because of the health risks to the players and the potential kids that would take them after seeing how they work on the pros. If steroids had little to no side effects, nobody in baseball would care if anyone took them.

So I am talking about people taking things that are allowed, then the substance gets banned. But I don't think there is a such thing as taking something illegal for the illegal gain. I think it's more like players not caring about the health risk (the true reason something is illegal) bc of the gain.

Hope that makes sense. It does give an unfair advantage if nobody else can take it and you do anyway, but I hate that it's now made to believe that it's illegal because it skews stats and records when that's a bunch of crap.

Makes sense and that was the advantage i was talking about.

[ehh]

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ehh can correct me if I'm wrong on what he meant (but this is my personal response) but I don't think Griffey used steroids but I wouldn't be "surprised" if he did.

Yeah that's what I was getting at. They could tell me Derek Jeter was on steroids and I wouldn't be surprised at this point.

[RedheadKingpin]

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Steroids are so overhyped by the media it's becoming a joke, I'm sure some of these writers have never done anything wrong in their entire life.

Oh,so now they're overhyped?

[Kashanova]

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6 out of 10.

Sosa is clean