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  • ryan36
    7 dirty words...
    • Feb 2003
    • 10139

    #1

    Is Omar Minaya overrated?

    I think he is...he's a middle of the road GM, was supposed to be one of those "up and comers" and he's done nothing with the Mets, and did ok with the Expos, but all I remember him doing is trading away Sizemore up there.
  • BunnyHardaway
    Banned
    • Nov 2004
    • 15195

    #2
    Re: Is Omar Minaya overrated?

    I'd say yes. I think one of the reasons he appears better than he is is because he has near unlimited resources in New York. If I had the money to land Beltran, K-Rod, Wagner, and take on contracts like Delgado and Santana and be able to re-sign Wright and Reyes, I'd look like a good GM too. The bad thing is that in the process he has nearly gutted the minor league system. Fernando Martinez and Jon Niese are the only legit above average prospects that they have IIRC.

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    • Misfit
      All Star
      • Mar 2003
      • 5766

      #3
      Re: Is Omar Minaya overrated?

      I don't see how he's overrated as I don't hear anyone calling him the best GM in baseball or anything. He's done some good things with the Mets and some not so good thing. Giving Pedro 4 years was dumb, as was re-signing Perez for that kind of money when he wasn't even bidding against anyone. He did pull off the Santana trade though, which looks like a homerun right now while the Putz trade looked good at the time though it may end up being a flop. I believe he got Delgado which ended up being a nice move and the John Maine pick-up flew under the radar a bit. If he can be faulted for anything it's that his farm system hasn't produced a capable starting pitcher under his watch. He can't be faulted for the chokejobs authored by the Mets though over the years. That '06 team should have been able to put St. Louis away and the Phillies had no business taking the division in '07.

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      • ryan36
        7 dirty words...
        • Feb 2003
        • 10139

        #4
        Re: Is Omar Minaya overrated?

        Originally posted by Misfit
        I don't see how he's overrated as I don't hear anyone calling him the best GM in baseball or anything.
        Yeah, I know...but when he was an assistant GM boy was he gonna be the next Theo Epstein! I guess I just consider him a bust. It seems like if you were the New York Mets, you'd want the best GM running your team.

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        • P2K
          Banned
          • Aug 2006
          • 8845

          #5
          Re: Is Omar Minaya overrated?

          Minaya was hyped up severely. Each time I listened to WFAN, so much faith was put on Omar and each year, he's come up small. And he has to take blame for putting together a clubhouse full of nitwits.

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          • ryan36
            7 dirty words...
            • Feb 2003
            • 10139

            #6
            Re: Is Omar Minaya overrated?

            ...then again, if Steve Phillips can get to the series, how hard can it be? LOL

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            • Sportsforever
              NL MVP
              • Mar 2005
              • 20368

              #7
              Re: Is Omar Minaya overrated?

              I don't know...it's not like his time as a GM is over. It's hard to rate someone when they are still in progress. Up to this point, I'd say he's done a decent job. Each summer Mets fans get to root for a team that is a contender...that's about all you could ask for really.
              "People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." - Rogers Hornsby

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              • ChubbyBanana
                Don't Trust Influencers
                • Oct 2003
                • 7071

                #8
                Re: Is Omar Minaya overrated?

                Originally posted by Sportsforever
                Each summer Mets fans get to root for a team that is a contender...that's about all you could ask for really.
                I agree. I suffered through some GMs that didn't make my club(s) contenders in the past, and that's tough on the club as well as the fanbase.

                I wouldn't say he's overrated.
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                • JBH3
                  Marvel's Finest
                  • Jan 2007
                  • 13506

                  #9
                  Re: Is Omar Minaya overrated?

                  Originally posted by Misfit
                  I don't see how he's overrated as I don't hear anyone calling him the best GM in baseball or anything. He's done some good things with the Mets and some not so good thing. Giving Pedro 4 years was dumb, as was re-signing Perez for that kind of money when he wasn't even bidding against anyone. He did pull off the Santana trade though, which looks like a homerun right now while the Putz trade looked good at the time though it may end up being a flop. I believe he got Delgado which ended up being a nice move and the John Maine pick-up flew under the radar a bit. If he can be faulted for anything it's that his farm system hasn't produced a capable starting pitcher under his watch. He can't be faulted for the chokejobs authored by the Mets though over the years. That '06 team should have been able to put St. Louis away and the Phillies had no business taking the division in '07.
                  Like how the Red Sox had no business beating NY in the 2004 ALCS?

                  The fact is, we played harder, and deserved to be there. If there's a team that had no business it was Colorado.

                  I think Minaya has done a great job in bringing in talented players, but so has the Yankees and what has that done for them?

                  Like many have said his farm system is in disarray, and had it not been for injuries Fernando Martinez would probably still be wasting away in AAA right now.

                  IMO, if Minaya has the control of the roster, and has brought in the players who've underperformed the last couple of year than he's as much to blame for their choking as they are.
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                  • SoxFan01605
                    All Star
                    • Jan 2008
                    • 7982

                    #10
                    Re: Is Omar Minaya overrated?

                    ^^^ It's a tough balance though. He's got his team in contention. They had little to work with when he got there, and I don't think he did too much to hurt his farm team. People point to Pedro, but in reality there were a couple teams who thought Pedro for four in the NL was a good idea.

                    The thing is, pointing out every mistake the guy makes doesn't prove/disprove whether or not he's overrated. Theo Epstein, who I think is great, has made some mistakes (trading away Freddy Sanchez-one of my personal favorite players, overpaying for JD Drew, giving up so much just to get rid of Manny-though at least a case can be made for this one, I suppose).

                    Nobody gets it right 100% of the time is all I'm saying. Plus, Minaya has been under scrutiny since day one, as I recall. He might have been referred to as a bright, up and comer, but nobody's ever labeled him as one of the greatest that I've seen.

                    I think he's rated just fine...lol. Some people think he's great, some thinks he sucks, some think he's okay. Sounds about average to me. Plus, I'm sure the ownership likes him as he's brought in popular, productive players that put butts in the seat.

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                    • ehh
                      Hall Of Fame
                      • Mar 2003
                      • 28962

                      #11
                      Re: Is Omar Minaya overrated?

                      Omar was definitely hyped up like crazy by the NY media so in that regard he is overrated.
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                      • SoxFan01605
                        All Star
                        • Jan 2008
                        • 7982

                        #12
                        Re: Is Omar Minaya overrated?

                        Originally posted by ehh
                        Omar was definitely hyped up like crazy by the NY media so in that regard he is overrated.
                        lol...well, if we're basing it off of that, then I agree 100%.

                        Of course, if that's the case, then EVERYONE covered by the NY media is either vatly overrated or underrated. There's no middle ground there.

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                        • Picci
                          MVP
                          • Feb 2003
                          • 4517

                          #13
                          Re: Is Omar Minaya overrated?

                          As a Mets fan I can't say he's over-rated. He has 1 Division Championship, and the GM to a great end of the year collapse. He has an "eye as a scout" which is his strength. He has managed to grab the best (arguably) CF Beltran, SP Santana, and RP Rodriguez, in the last 5 years. So he has in a way, spoiled us.


                          Originally posted by Misfit
                          If he can be faulted for anything it's that his farm system hasn't produced a capable starting pitcher under his watch.
                          Actually Pelfrey is a pick under Omar's team.

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                          • tyler289
                            MVP
                            • Jul 2006
                            • 2933

                            #14
                            Re: Is Omar Minaya overrated?

                            Originally posted by Picci
                            As a Mets fan I can't say he's over-rated. He has 1 Division Championship, and the GM to a great end of the year collapse. He has an "eye as a scout" which is his strength. He has managed to grab the best (arguably) CF Beltran, SP Santana, and RP Rodriguez, in the last 5 years. So he has in a way, spoiled us.
                            Many GMs could be good if they a huge budget like he does in NY. Not like he drafted all those guys and his "eye as a scout" brought them talent. He just signed 'em. Nice job. You gave out a lot of money, what a smart GM!

                            He's a mediocre GM. Hasn't done anything special. I'm really happy with the Ayala-Hernandez trade and was ecstatic about the Milledge-Schneider/Church trade, which looked great until the start of this year, when Manny "Met" Acta had to screw it all up.

                            It'd be hard to do a "best GM in the game" list, because you wonder how each could do with a different budget, but I'd lean towards GMs on mid-budget or low-budgets teams as being the best. Though Theo Epstein is damn good as well.

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                            • Misfit
                              All Star
                              • Mar 2003
                              • 5766

                              #15
                              Re: Is Omar Minaya overrated?

                              Originally posted by Picci




                              Actually Pelfrey is a pick under Omar's team.
                              The jury is still very much out on Pelfrey. Right now it looks like the Mets would have been better served to deal him when his stock was high because his 3.86 K/9 is pretty poor.

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