Did you see that?

[Meatloaf86]

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that was great. i watched it on baseball tonight and was like what the heck just happened then i realized what did happen. nefi just walking in and touching home was great. robinson yelling at his players was better.

[fatheadX]

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My question is what the hell was Perez doing walking in like that? If the Expos knew what was going on, he would have been doubled up because he was just as confused as everyone else. He should have never left 3rd base on an infield fly 20 feet in front of home plate. He got lucky for such a boneheaded move!

[fatheadX]

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My question is what the hell was Perez doing walking in like that? If the Expos knew what was going on, he would have been doubled up because he was just as confused as everyone else. He should have never left 3rd base on an infield fly 20 feet in front of home plate. He got lucky for such a boneheaded move!

[thecomic]

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fatheadX said:
My question is what the hell was Perez doing walking in like that? If the Expos knew what was going on, he would have been doubled up because he was just as confused as everyone else. He should have never left 3rd base on an infield fly 20 feet in front of home plate. He got lucky for such a boneheaded move!

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Uh, I don't think you were watching the game.
He saw the confusion of the Expos when the ball landed (it was misplayed in the first place) the expos picked up the ball and threw home, thinking they had a force out.
Perez just played along with THEIR stupidity, he knew exactly what he was doing because he just casually touched home plate as to not draw attention to himself.
The other thing is that he started laughing as soon as he touched the plate, so he had to have known what he was doing, otherwise, why even touch home plate?
Perez was not the bonehead on this one.

[thecomic]

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fatheadX said:
My question is what the hell was Perez doing walking in like that? If the Expos knew what was going on, he would have been doubled up because he was just as confused as everyone else. He should have never left 3rd base on an infield fly 20 feet in front of home plate. He got lucky for such a boneheaded move!

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Uh, I don't think you were watching the game.
He saw the confusion of the Expos when the ball landed (it was misplayed in the first place) the expos picked up the ball and threw home, thinking they had a force out.
Perez just played along with THEIR stupidity, he knew exactly what he was doing because he just casually touched home plate as to not draw attention to himself.
The other thing is that he started laughing as soon as he touched the plate, so he had to have known what he was doing, otherwise, why even touch home plate?
Perez was not the bonehead on this one.

[pfunk]

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i think you are both right. I think Perez broke from third when he saw the catcher go to touch home, i think he too was confused, albeit briefly, by what was happening. If he understood fully he would never have left third base. However, when he saw that the umpire made no call it occured to him, as it should have to the whole Expos team, that it was indeed a tag play. This is where Perez boldly and cleverly walked home like he thought he was out and lunged for the plate at the last second, at that point he definetly knew what was happening.

Just remember kids, you ain't safe or out till the umpire says so.

[pfunk]

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i think you are both right. I think Perez broke from third when he saw the catcher go to touch home, i think he too was confused, albeit briefly, by what was happening. If he understood fully he would never have left third base. However, when he saw that the umpire made no call it occured to him, as it should have to the whole Expos team, that it was indeed a tag play. This is where Perez boldly and cleverly walked home like he thought he was out and lunged for the plate at the last second, at that point he definetly knew what was happening.

Just remember kids, you ain't safe or out till the umpire says so.

[MuffinMcFluffin]

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No, you mean you aren't out until the umpire says so. The umpire never needs to say ball, safe, or fair ball. NEVER. It's just a better implication to do so. I umpire, and I know some rules. Like, you need to see an out to call it an out. If you didn't see the play, call them safe. Same with strikes. You need to see a strike. There's no such thing as an adjusted strike zone, it's your call.

Sorry I got WAY off topic, but IMO Perez knew what he was doing all along... he just needed to be a good actor about it. i think he knew that that was an infield fly right off the bat, but that was VERY clever for Perez. I don't think there will be some tricky things we'll ever see again, like that one and the hidden ball trick that J.T. Snow pulled off.

[MuffinMcFluffin]

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No, you mean you aren't out until the umpire says so. The umpire never needs to say ball, safe, or fair ball. NEVER. It's just a better implication to do so. I umpire, and I know some rules. Like, you need to see an out to call it an out. If you didn't see the play, call them safe. Same with strikes. You need to see a strike. There's no such thing as an adjusted strike zone, it's your call.

Sorry I got WAY off topic, but IMO Perez knew what he was doing all along... he just needed to be a good actor about it. i think he knew that that was an infield fly right off the bat, but that was VERY clever for Perez. I don't think there will be some tricky things we'll ever see again, like that one and the hidden ball trick that J.T. Snow pulled off.

[thecomic]

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I don't think he coined the phrase, but I grew up listening to Hank Greenwald (old giants radio announcer) say,"I come out to the ballpark everyday, and everyday I see something completely different."

But then, maybe that's because the Giants were pretty bad alot of those years.

[thecomic]

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I don't think he coined the phrase, but I grew up listening to Hank Greenwald (old giants radio announcer) say,"I come out to the ballpark everyday, and everyday I see something completely different."

But then, maybe that's because the Giants were pretty bad alot of those years.

[pfunk]

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MuffinMcFluffin said:
No, you mean you aren't out until the umpire says so. The umpire never needs to say ball, safe, or fair ball. NEVER. It's just a better implication to do so. I umpire, and I know some rules. Like, you need to see an out to call it an out. If you didn't see the play, call them safe. Same with strikes. You need to see a strike. There's no such thing as an adjusted strike zone, it's your call.

Sorry I got WAY off topic, but IMO Perez knew what he was doing all along... he just needed to be a good actor about it. i think he knew that that was an infield fly right off the bat, but that was VERY clever for Perez. I don't think there will be some tricky things we'll ever see again, like that one and the hidden ball trick that J.T. Snow pulled off.

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I too am an umpire. While you are right that the umpire does not have to signal safe, if he does not, the defense should know something is wrong. For example: IF the runner misses the plate, and the umpire sees this, he will not make the safe call, this should indicate to both the runner and the defense, if they are paying attention, that the runner missed the base. The point is, if the umpire makes no call when safe our out is in question, you can be sure that the play is not over. You do not need to say "safe" or "fair", but you do need to signal them.

Also, if you did not see a play, you would not signal safe, you would look to another umpire immediatly for support. This is why umpires check with first or third on check swings, they can't see that call clearly, so they assume nothing. Yes, if an umpires does not know whether a player missed a base he will signal safe on the appeal, or if he did not see whether the batter went around or not he will signal safe on the appeal, but most plays where the umpire for one reason or another did not see whether an out was made he would be expected to seek assistance from the rest of his crew. Most major league umps are too arrogant to do this, but it happens sometimes.

Anyway, Perez would never have left 3rd base if he had realized the situation. The ball was no more than 10 feet from home, I know he's fast, but I could beat him there with that kind of handicap and believe me, I am not fleet of foot. The only reason he would have run is that because when he saw the catcher going to step on the plate he instinctivly tried to beat him even though it was not possible. He stopped once the catcher stepped on the plate but wisely realized no call was made and realized there was no force. He got lucky, but in the end he was heads up.

[pfunk]

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MuffinMcFluffin said:
No, you mean you aren't out until the umpire says so. The umpire never needs to say ball, safe, or fair ball. NEVER. It's just a better implication to do so. I umpire, and I know some rules. Like, you need to see an out to call it an out. If you didn't see the play, call them safe. Same with strikes. You need to see a strike. There's no such thing as an adjusted strike zone, it's your call.

Sorry I got WAY off topic, but IMO Perez knew what he was doing all along... he just needed to be a good actor about it. i think he knew that that was an infield fly right off the bat, but that was VERY clever for Perez. I don't think there will be some tricky things we'll ever see again, like that one and the hidden ball trick that J.T. Snow pulled off.

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I too am an umpire. While you are right that the umpire does not have to signal safe, if he does not, the defense should know something is wrong. For example: IF the runner misses the plate, and the umpire sees this, he will not make the safe call, this should indicate to both the runner and the defense, if they are paying attention, that the runner missed the base. The point is, if the umpire makes no call when safe our out is in question, you can be sure that the play is not over. You do not need to say "safe" or "fair", but you do need to signal them.

Also, if you did not see a play, you would not signal safe, you would look to another umpire immediatly for support. This is why umpires check with first or third on check swings, they can't see that call clearly, so they assume nothing. Yes, if an umpires does not know whether a player missed a base he will signal safe on the appeal, or if he did not see whether the batter went around or not he will signal safe on the appeal, but most plays where the umpire for one reason or another did not see whether an out was made he would be expected to seek assistance from the rest of his crew. Most major league umps are too arrogant to do this, but it happens sometimes.

Anyway, Perez would never have left 3rd base if he had realized the situation. The ball was no more than 10 feet from home, I know he's fast, but I could beat him there with that kind of handicap and believe me, I am not fleet of foot. The only reason he would have run is that because when he saw the catcher going to step on the plate he instinctivly tried to beat him even though it was not possible. He stopped once the catcher stepped on the plate but wisely realized no call was made and realized there was no force. He got lucky, but in the end he was heads up.

[thecomic]

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Wow, this is amazing!
I'm an umpire too!

I make several calls from the comfort of my fav chair during every Giants game
I've also been known to coach the players.

[thecomic]

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Wow, this is amazing!
I'm an umpire too!

I make several calls from the comfort of my fav chair during every Giants game
I've also been known to coach the players.