Not pro baseball, but Umpire ejects ENTIRE CROWD! LOL!

[ImTellinTim]

Are you kidding me?

http://highschool.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=955927

[CMH]

Re: Not pro baseball, but Umpire ejects ENTIRE CROWD! LOL!

I have no problem with this. In a high school game, the umpire pretty much runs the show as there are no other league officials in attendance.

You can't count on the coaches to get the job done most of the time.

Unruly fans are a problem in young athletic sports.

[Blzer]

Re: Not pro baseball, but Umpire ejects ENTIRE CROWD! LOL!

Hey, if the umpire sucked (which I've seen a lot of lately), he deserved it.

[Cane_Mutiny]

Re: Not pro baseball, but Umpire ejects ENTIRE CROWD! LOL!

Now he needs to try this at Fenway or something...

[Whitesox]

Re: Not pro baseball, but Umpire ejects ENTIRE CROWD! LOL!

Hey, if the umpire sucked (which I've seen a lot of lately), he deserved it.

One of my schools big things is:
Let the players play, let the coaches coach, let the officials officiate.

Fans really need to be quiet and keep their mouths shut, them blabbing at the ump is gonna do nothing but make him angry. It is not helping their kids, and it is not helping their kid's teams, in fact, it is hurting them if anything. People just don't seem to understand this

[Blzer]

Re: Not pro baseball, but Umpire ejects ENTIRE CROWD! LOL!

This is true, but in my young life I have umpired for nine years, getting into more competitive divisions of both baseball and softball as I get older. And I assure you one thing: I'm not out there just to have a trigger-happy right hand and credit a player for finishing a diving play or a pitcher with 0-2 nasty movement right off the plate. A ball is a ball, and a runner beating the throw is safe (there's no such thing as a tie). I do everything that I can to ensure that I make the right call, even if it takes a second to think about it in my head for one more second.

I don't want to stoop down to the level of umpires that I see call my sister's softball games every tournament or at the major league level every game. It's embarrassing that these guys are certified and paid to make such lousy calls that I can see from an armchair.

Frankly, I've made only bad calls before that I regretted instantly (normally with a pitch height-wise), but I won't make up the call, be defensive, or apologize. I may admit it after the game, but that's really all I want. I want the umpire to admit when they make a mistake, and not be macho like this guy probably was.

When umpires make bad calls, they deserve to be heckled. This is one sport where human error is the norm in every facet of the game, and we'd like to eliminate it as much as possible. If he ejected the entire crowd, obviously he did enough to affect both teams. If he ejected them for maybe fighting each other and not the umpire, that's a different story and that's simply crowd control. But you do not eject unruly fans from a ball field, that's just childish and shows he either can't call a good game or he can't defend his own actions. That's what I normally see... an umpire that ejects a fan is cowardly and admitting of guilt in front of everybody.

Last fall in an adult league game I was called out on a third strike a few inches both high and away on a curveball that never did come back down into the zone. The inning was ending so I had a little time, and I simply turned around and said, "You know you missed that call, right? Just tell me you missed that call." Then he said, "Yeah, I might have missed that one." It made me feel better that he admitted it. He didn't need to apologize, he didn't need to make it up for me later, and he definitely didn't need to lose cool. He is human and I'd like him to not let his error make him cowardly and eject me because he can't "control" me or the game.


Sorry for the long rant, but I've encountered far too many bad calls this past month in my league, my sister's league, and the MLB (far more than usual) that I'm almost really hating that these guys are hired and not making the commitment to ensure that, by their own personal sight and knowledge, they believe they made the right call instead of "getting in the moment." On that same token, I'd much rather they miss a call and call a ball instead of a strike, a safe instead of an out, a fair ball instead of a foul ball, etc. Always give the benefit of the doubt to the offensive team. Going for the defense is a sign of not wanting to be there, IMO.

[Whitesox]

Re: Not pro baseball, but Umpire ejects ENTIRE CROWD! LOL!

This is true, but in my young life I have umpired for nine years, getting into more competitive divisions of both baseball and softball as I get older. And I assure you one thing: I'm not out there just to have a trigger-happy right hand and credit a player for finishing a diving play or a pitcher with 0-2 nasty movement right off the plate. A ball is a ball, and a runner beating the throw is safe (there's no such thing as a tie). I do everything that I can to ensure that I make the right call, even if it takes a second to think about it in my head for one more second.

I don't want to stoop down to the level of umpires that I see call my sister's softball games every tournament or at the major league level every game. It's embarrassing that these guys are certified and paid to make such lousy calls that I can see from an armchair.

Frankly, I've made only bad calls before that I regretted instantly (normally with a pitch height-wise), but I won't make up the call, be defensive, or apologize. I may admit it after the game, but that's really all I want. I want the umpire to admit when they make a mistake, and not be macho like this guy probably was.

When umpires make bad calls, they deserve to be heckled. This is one sport where human error is the norm in every facet of the game, and we'd like to eliminate it as much as possible. If he ejected the entire crowd, obviously he did enough to affect both teams. If he ejected them for maybe fighting each other and not the umpire, that's a different story and that's simply crowd control. But you do not eject unruly fans from a ball field, that's just childish and shows he either can't call a good game or he can't defend his own actions. That's what I normally see... an umpire that ejects a fan is cowardly and admitting of guilt in front of everybody.

Last fall in an adult league game I was called out on a third strike a few inches both high and away on a curveball that never did come back down into the zone. The inning was ending so I had a little time, and I simply turned around and said, "You know you missed that call, right? Just tell me you missed that call." Then he said, "Yeah, I might have missed that one." It made me feel better that he admitted it. He didn't need to apologize, he didn't need to make it up for me later, and he definitely didn't need to lose cool. He is human and I'd like him to not let his error make him cowardly and eject me because he can't "control" me or the game.


Sorry for the long rant, but I've encountered far too many bad calls this past month in my league, my sister's league, and the MLB (far more than usual) that I'm almost really hating that these guys are hired and not making the commitment to ensure that, by their own personal sight and knowledge, they believe they made the right call instead of "getting in the moment." On that same token, I'd much rather they miss a call and call a ball instead of a strike, a safe instead of an out, a fair ball instead of a foul ball, etc. Always give the benefit of the doubt to the offensive team. Going for the defense is a sign of not wanting to be there, IMO.

Ok, I see where you're coming from, and definately understand that. I don't think that the fans were after the ump though. If he called the police then a fight maybe broke out or someone threw something? Just a guess. Maybe google knows...

[CMH]

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I'm not sure the umpire made a bad call.

It seemed like the fans thought it would be a good idea to start fights and heckle the opposing team.

In high school sports I don't see a need for that. Sure, I'm all for competition and I absolutely hate the "everyone wins a trophy" idea. But, heckling the opposing team in high school sports? Save that for the movies.

I can understand some booing, some heckling. But, I've seen it get out of hand and it's ridiculous. If the umpire was concerned enough to need the police, then he had good reason to kick the fans out.

[Blzer]

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Okay, then if it was a riot not against the umpire, I do understand crowd control. Since there is not in-park security, then he definitely does play the role as security monitor. That makes sense.

But if he is making questionable calls that they're on him with, I do not agree with him going into defensive mode and proving strength by ejecting fans. That's abusive power at its worst.

[CMH]

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I get your point and I agree a bit.

The only issue I see coming up is that the umpire is not going to believe he's making bad calls.

So, yea, fans should boo the ump if they don't agree. But, an ump is going to take it personally because he/she is going to believe they are doing the best job possible.

[ryan36]

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Coaching a summer league game of 15/16 year-old's from the high school where I coached, I had a parent get kicked out. It was a game where the varsity coach was in attendance (I was 20 at the time), and not even HE could control this parent. Finally the umpire asked him to leave. I've only said something to a parent during the game once...and that was to quit yelling adjustments to his kid while he was pitching. Otherwise, coaches don't really notice the parents...(until they get them fired for not playing their kid.) Parents do need to stfu, during a game and be positive. Coaches need to decide when to approach an umpire.