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You need to direct your ire in the right direction, toward the fans, not Maddon. They're the ones that voted Pedroia in as the starter.Member of The OS Baseball Rocket Scientists AssociationComment
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Naw, at least with a player vs. player aspect then Gallardo is definately better than Marquis. He has an ERA nearly a full run better, has given up 30 less hits, has almost 75 more K's but also has 2 less wins...Actually, the only difference between Marquis and his teammate Aaron Cook is wins (10 to 8) as everything else is identical across the board. If I'm not mistaken the players/coaches make the calls on the reserves so I don't know the logic behind that selection.Originally posted by Gibson88Anyone who asked for an ETA is not being Master of their Domain.
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Your right because strikeouts make you a better pitcher...PSN-Shugarooo
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Exactly, I didn't care nearly as much about crappy selections when the game was meaningless, or the ridiculous "one player for every team" rule.Member of The OS Baseball Rocket Scientists AssociationComment
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Wow, way to completely miss the argument. I'll play along anyways, though.
I would argue that strikeouts can however help you as a pitcher. I don't think they always indicate a "better pitcher," because you certainly can be extremely successful pitching to contact, but if you rack up the strikeouts, you take the defense behind you out of the equation, and that can certainly be a good thing. You also negate the potential for luck to come into play with bad bounces, bloop hits, and the like.Green Bay Packers | Milwaukee Brewers | Bradley Braves | Wisconsin Badgers
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Originally posted by Gibson88Anyone who asked for an ETA is not being Master of their Domain.
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First off, wins are the most overrated stat ever. So giving a guy a spot simply because he is the only pitcher with 10 wins is complete crap. At any rate, my exact words from earlier were:
Eight wins vs. ten wins isn't that big a difference for one thing... they are both pretty high numbers at this point. However, perhaps it's not so much that Marquis is being helped greatly by run support - I guess I'd argue more that Gallardo is being hurt by lack of run support. As I mentioned, there have been four games he's started where he got zero or one run of support. Two of them were 1-0 losses, so if he gets reasonable support in those games, there's your all-important ten wins right there and he's made up the difference. He did win one of the 1-0 games, and the fourth one was a team win but Gallardo exited after 8 innings in a 0-0 game.
So, maybe I could have worded my point more carefully, but that doesn't change the fact that it's all about the run support. When you are comparing an eight win pitcher and a ten win pitcher, and the eight win pitcher has better peripherals, run support more often than not is going to have an effect somewhere in there.
Basically, I said Marquis has two more wins because he has received more run support, and it would make slightly more sense to say Gallardo has two fewer wins because he has received less run support. It's really just semantics.
I posted this before, but I'll say it again. Marquis road ERA is 3.50. If he was a much better road pitcher, than I could see an argument about Coors affecting his ERA. But Gallardo's overall era is still .75 better than Marquis's road ERA.
Ah well, Yovani will get there soon enough. I just think he deserves some recognition for stepping into the ace role and putting up great numbers in his first full major-league season. He's held the Brewers' staff together after the departures of Sabathia and Sheets, and at 23 years of age no less. He definitely got overlooked.
The only guy that Gallardo may have been able to rightfully replace on the team is Ted Lilly, but Lilly has been killed by poor run support just like Gallardo.
Either way, it's up to the manager on who he wanted to bring and he obviously sees something in Lilly and Marquis that he didn't see in Gallardo. Gallardo still has plenty of time left in his career to make the all-star game. It's ok that he missed out this year.NFL: Bills
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All you're basically saying is that you'd take a good team over a bad one.Member of The OS Baseball Rocket Scientists AssociationComment
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I agree that wins doesn't always show who the better pitcher is, but Manuel would have looked like a ****** if he hadn't brought the guy that has the most wins in the league right now to the All-Star game.
The only guy that Gallardo may have been able to rightfully replace on the team is Ted Lilly, but Lilly has been killed by poor run support just like Gallardo.
Either way, it's up to the manager on who he wanted to bring and he obviously sees something in Lilly and Marquis that he didn't see in Gallardo. Gallardo still has plenty of time left in his career to make the all-star game. It's ok that he missed out this year.
I did see on another message board that Gallardo may have been overlooked because of his start schedule. Apparently Manuel wants to make sure there's no risk of a pitcher being unavailable. If that's indeed the case, then I have no problem with Gallardo being left out.
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I know, but to me it is wins that I want. I will say one thing yes win can be overrated. But when you have a pitcher that you know has a good chance of winning every time he goes out there. Players feel that. They want to win for this guy and they think they can win. So wins mean something to me. In the case of Timmy. He goes out and the team thinks they can win. And it has proven to be true. Look at the run support he gets compare to other pitchers on the team. Matt is starting to get that run support too.Comment
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