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  • HiJumpr111
    D*st*ny
    • Jul 2002
    • 1189

    #31
    Re: What is the purpose of a double switch?

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    the reason the AL does NOT suck is because 1) no one wants to watch a pitcher hit, and 2) in the AL, you don't have to worry about pulling your pitcher early to get a hit, you can leave him in during a close game and still not sacrifice offense.
    In the AL, you have more hitting and good pitchers staying in the game longer....how does that suck?

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    Reasons the AL sucks compared to the NL
    <ul type="square">[*]A half brain-dead person with a rubberstamp can manage an AL team. 95% of the on-field management decisions can be made with the following logic problem: IF Pitcher = good THEN Leave in ELSE Change
    [*]The so-called added offense resulted in an extra 1/3 hit per game and 1/4 run per game last year. That's two runs per week more in all AL games COMBINED vs. all NL games
    [*]AL MARTIN was a DH on opening day. This alone shows how absurd this rule is.
    [*]If the DH is such an important position, why do a lot of teams bat him last?
    [*]Similarly, if I had Mike Hampton pitching in an interleague game, I'd rather have him bat
    [*]There is absolutely no strategy in the AL. All batting lineup positions are rendered homogenous because there is no pitcher. Do you think a #8 batter is pitched to differently than the #6 batter in the AL?
    [*]Double switch? Drrr...what's that?
    [*]What good is having a deep bench if you're going to have the same guys hit all the time?[/list]

    My point is that the American League plays a watered-down version of baseball.

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    • Karlos05
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      • Mar 2003
      • 5814

      #32
      Re: What is the purpose of a double switch?

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      the reason the AL does NOT suck is because 1) no one wants to watch a pitcher hit, and 2) in the AL, you don't have to worry about pulling your pitcher early to get a hit, you can leave him in during a close game and still not sacrifice offense.
      In the AL, you have more hitting and good pitchers staying in the game longer....how does that suck?

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      Reasons the AL sucks compared to the NL
      <ul type="square">[*]A half brain-dead person with a rubberstamp can manage an AL team. 95% of the on-field management decisions can be made with the following logic problem: IF Pitcher = good THEN Leave in ELSE Change
      [*]The so-called added offense resulted in an extra 1/3 hit per game and 1/4 run per game last year. That's two runs per week more in all AL games COMBINED vs. all NL games
      [*]AL MARTIN was a DH on opening day. This alone shows how absurd this rule is.
      [*]If the DH is such an important position, why do a lot of teams bat him last?
      [*]Similarly, if I had Mike Hampton pitching in an interleague game, I'd rather have him bat
      [*]There is absolutely no strategy in the AL. All batting lineup positions are rendered homogenous because there is no pitcher. Do you think a #8 batter is pitched to differently than the #6 batter in the AL?
      [*]Double switch? Drrr...what's that?
      [*]What good is having a deep bench if you're going to have the same guys hit all the time?[/list]

      My point is that the American League plays a watered-down version of baseball.

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      • Karlos05
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        • Mar 2003
        • 5814

        #33
        Re: What is the purpose of a double switch?

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        the reason the AL does NOT suck is because 1) no one wants to watch a pitcher hit, and 2) in the AL, you don't have to worry about pulling your pitcher early to get a hit, you can leave him in during a close game and still not sacrifice offense.
        In the AL, you have more hitting and good pitchers staying in the game longer....how does that suck?

        <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">
        Reasons the AL sucks compared to the NL
        <ul type="square">[*]A half brain-dead person with a rubberstamp can manage an AL team. 95% of the on-field management decisions can be made with the following logic problem: IF Pitcher = good THEN Leave in ELSE Change
        [*]The so-called added offense resulted in an extra 1/3 hit per game and 1/4 run per game last year. That's two runs per week more in all AL games COMBINED vs. all NL games
        [*]AL MARTIN was a DH on opening day. This alone shows how absurd this rule is.
        [*]If the DH is such an important position, why do a lot of teams bat him last?
        [*]Similarly, if I had Mike Hampton pitching in an interleague game, I'd rather have him bat
        [*]There is absolutely no strategy in the AL. All batting lineup positions are rendered homogenous because there is no pitcher. Do you think a #8 batter is pitched to differently than the #6 batter in the AL?
        [*]Double switch? Drrr...what's that?
        [*]What good is having a deep bench if you're going to have the same guys hit all the time?[/list]

        My point is that the American League plays a watered-down version of baseball.

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        • bryan_05
          H*rt M*n! L*c*l S*p*rh*r*
          • Jul 2002
          • 3540

          #34
          Re: What is the purpose of a double switch?

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          the reason the AL does NOT suck is because 1) no one wants to watch a pitcher hit, and 2) in the AL, you don't have to worry about pulling your pitcher early to get a hit, you can leave him in during a close game and still not sacrifice offense.
          In the AL, you have more hitting and good pitchers staying in the game longer....how does that suck?

          <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">
          Reasons the AL sucks compared to the NL
          <ul type="square">[*]A half brain-dead person with a rubberstamp can manage an AL team. 95% of the on-field management decisions can be made with the following logic problem: IF Pitcher = good THEN Leave in ELSE Change
          [*]The so-called added offense resulted in an extra 1/3 hit per game and 1/4 run per game last year. That's two runs per week more in all AL games COMBINED vs. all NL games
          [*]AL MARTIN was a DH on opening day. This alone shows how absurd this rule is.
          [*]If the DH is such an important position, why do a lot of teams bat him last?
          [*]Similarly, if I had Mike Hampton pitching in an interleague game, I'd rather have him bat
          [*]There is absolutely no strategy in the AL. All batting lineup positions are rendered homogenous because there is no pitcher. Do you think a #8 batter is pitched to differently than the #6 batter in the AL?
          [*]Double switch? Drrr...what's that?
          [*]What good is having a deep bench if you're going to have the same guys hit all the time?[/list]

          My point is that the American League plays a watered-down version of baseball.

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          oooh he used bullets

          good points

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          • bryan_05
            H*rt M*n! L*c*l S*p*rh*r*
            • Jul 2002
            • 3540

            #35
            Re: What is the purpose of a double switch?

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            the reason the AL does NOT suck is because 1) no one wants to watch a pitcher hit, and 2) in the AL, you don't have to worry about pulling your pitcher early to get a hit, you can leave him in during a close game and still not sacrifice offense.
            In the AL, you have more hitting and good pitchers staying in the game longer....how does that suck?

            <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">
            Reasons the AL sucks compared to the NL
            <ul type="square">[*]A half brain-dead person with a rubberstamp can manage an AL team. 95% of the on-field management decisions can be made with the following logic problem: IF Pitcher = good THEN Leave in ELSE Change
            [*]The so-called added offense resulted in an extra 1/3 hit per game and 1/4 run per game last year. That's two runs per week more in all AL games COMBINED vs. all NL games
            [*]AL MARTIN was a DH on opening day. This alone shows how absurd this rule is.
            [*]If the DH is such an important position, why do a lot of teams bat him last?
            [*]Similarly, if I had Mike Hampton pitching in an interleague game, I'd rather have him bat
            [*]There is absolutely no strategy in the AL. All batting lineup positions are rendered homogenous because there is no pitcher. Do you think a #8 batter is pitched to differently than the #6 batter in the AL?
            [*]Double switch? Drrr...what's that?
            [*]What good is having a deep bench if you're going to have the same guys hit all the time?[/list]

            My point is that the American League plays a watered-down version of baseball.

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            oooh he used bullets

            good points

            GO CUBS!
            University of Evansville Graduate

            Fins Up!

            GO CUBS GO!

            Purple Aces, Cubs, Seminoles!

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            • wheels2121
              Pro
              • Nov 2002
              • 672

              #36
              Re: What is the purpose of a double switch?

              part of the reason the total offense isn't that much different is beacuse the American league is much better overall, including the pitching IMHO.

              Al Martin is a better hitter than most pitchers. Same for the DHs that hit ninth, which aren't nearly as many as you say.

              If you have a pitcher like Hampton, you're more than welcome to use him. The DH is allowed, it is NOT required.

              Again, double switches wouldn't be necessary if you didn't have to take a pitcher out because he's coming up next inning, and you wouldn't have to pinch hit for a guy who's given up 2 runs in seven innings because you need a hit. Again, people want to see pitchers pitch, not get pulled for hitters.

              As for lack of strategy, just not true. When to hit and run or steal and such is just as big a part of the game, and it's MORE important because you know you're gonna have to score runs in the AL. You can't play for 1 run like you can in the NL.

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              • wheels2121
                Pro
                • Nov 2002
                • 672

                #37
                Re: What is the purpose of a double switch?

                part of the reason the total offense isn't that much different is beacuse the American league is much better overall, including the pitching IMHO.

                Al Martin is a better hitter than most pitchers. Same for the DHs that hit ninth, which aren't nearly as many as you say.

                If you have a pitcher like Hampton, you're more than welcome to use him. The DH is allowed, it is NOT required.

                Again, double switches wouldn't be necessary if you didn't have to take a pitcher out because he's coming up next inning, and you wouldn't have to pinch hit for a guy who's given up 2 runs in seven innings because you need a hit. Again, people want to see pitchers pitch, not get pulled for hitters.

                As for lack of strategy, just not true. When to hit and run or steal and such is just as big a part of the game, and it's MORE important because you know you're gonna have to score runs in the AL. You can't play for 1 run like you can in the NL.

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                • thecomic
                  MVP
                  • Apr 2003
                  • 911

                  #38
                  Re: What is the purpose of a double switch?

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                  As for lack of strategy, just not true. When to hit and run or steal and such is just as big a part of the game, and it's MORE important because you know you're gonna have to score runs in the AL. You can't play for 1 run like you can in the NL.


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                  the thing is in the AL you almost always play for the big inning, and playing for the big inning doesn't include strategic moves like bunting and hit/run, it's all about waiting for the 3 run homer.
                  another thing, pinch hitters aren't NEARLY as important in the AL. you rarely have to use them since your best hitters are already in the game.
                  the AL mgr doesn't have to try and get that one more inning out of his starter 'cuz he's due to leadoff the next inning.

                  as a guy who grew up on the NL I have always found the AL to be BORING! Unless it's a great pitching matchup like Clemens/Pedro, in which case they play a more NL style of game.

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                  • thecomic
                    MVP
                    • Apr 2003
                    • 911

                    #39
                    Re: What is the purpose of a double switch?

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                    As for lack of strategy, just not true. When to hit and run or steal and such is just as big a part of the game, and it's MORE important because you know you're gonna have to score runs in the AL. You can't play for 1 run like you can in the NL.


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                    the thing is in the AL you almost always play for the big inning, and playing for the big inning doesn't include strategic moves like bunting and hit/run, it's all about waiting for the 3 run homer.
                    another thing, pinch hitters aren't NEARLY as important in the AL. you rarely have to use them since your best hitters are already in the game.
                    the AL mgr doesn't have to try and get that one more inning out of his starter 'cuz he's due to leadoff the next inning.

                    as a guy who grew up on the NL I have always found the AL to be BORING! Unless it's a great pitching matchup like Clemens/Pedro, in which case they play a more NL style of game.

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                    • LetsGoPitt
                      Cr*m*n*lly *nd*rr*t*d
                      • Jul 2002
                      • 5673

                      #40
                      Re: What is the purpose of a double switch?

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                      part of the reason the total offense isn't that much different is beacuse the American league is much better overall, including the pitching IMHO.

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                      Typical response from someone who can't make a real argument..."it's just better!" How? What makes you say that the pitching in the AL is better than in the NL?

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                      Al Martin is a better hitter than most pitchers.

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                      Having had to watch Al Martin for years with the Pirates, I must disagree with this statement. And that was before he was old.

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                      If you have a pitcher like Hampton, you're more than welcome to use him. The DH is allowed, it is NOT required.

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                      I know this, but do you really think an AL manager would do this if the option presented itself?

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                      Again, double switches wouldn't be necessary if you didn't have to take a pitcher out because he's coming up next inning, and you wouldn't have to pinch hit for a guy who's given up 2 runs in seven innings because you need a hit.

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                      That's like saying a winter coat isn't necessary in the tropics because it's not cold there. Having a pitcher who's given up 2 runs in 7 innings, yet is coming to bat in a crucial moment in the game adds (god forbid) thought and strategy into the game. I fully believe that an AL manager could take a nap during the game, and be woken up only when the pitching coach nudges him and says "Joe Blow out there is looking tired" and their overall success would not be changed.

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                      As for lack of strategy, just not true. When to hit and run or steal and such is just as big a part of the game, and it's MORE important because you know you're gonna have to score runs in the AL.

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                      This makes no sense. From what you're saying, you almost have to play for the 3 run homer all the time to have a chance (not true, but this is what you're telling me). If this is the case, you wouldn't want to risk losing baserunners by running steals or hit and runs.
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                      You can't play for 1 run like you can in the NL.

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                      But this is the reason you steal or hit and run -- manufacturing runs. You just said you can't do this to be successful in the AL.
                      “In my lifetime, we've gone from Eisenhower to George W. Bush. We've gone from John F. Kennedy to Al Gore. If this is evolution, I believe that in twelve years, we'll be voting for plants.” - Lewis Black

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                      • LetsGoPitt
                        Cr*m*n*lly *nd*rr*t*d
                        • Jul 2002
                        • 5673

                        #41
                        Re: What is the purpose of a double switch?

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                        part of the reason the total offense isn't that much different is beacuse the American league is much better overall, including the pitching IMHO.

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                        Typical response from someone who can't make a real argument..."it's just better!" How? What makes you say that the pitching in the AL is better than in the NL?

                        </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                        Al Martin is a better hitter than most pitchers.

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                        Having had to watch Al Martin for years with the Pirates, I must disagree with this statement. And that was before he was old.

                        </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                        If you have a pitcher like Hampton, you're more than welcome to use him. The DH is allowed, it is NOT required.

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                        I know this, but do you really think an AL manager would do this if the option presented itself?

                        </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                        Again, double switches wouldn't be necessary if you didn't have to take a pitcher out because he's coming up next inning, and you wouldn't have to pinch hit for a guy who's given up 2 runs in seven innings because you need a hit.

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                        That's like saying a winter coat isn't necessary in the tropics because it's not cold there. Having a pitcher who's given up 2 runs in 7 innings, yet is coming to bat in a crucial moment in the game adds (god forbid) thought and strategy into the game. I fully believe that an AL manager could take a nap during the game, and be woken up only when the pitching coach nudges him and says "Joe Blow out there is looking tired" and their overall success would not be changed.

                        </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                        As for lack of strategy, just not true. When to hit and run or steal and such is just as big a part of the game, and it's MORE important because you know you're gonna have to score runs in the AL.

                        <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">
                        This makes no sense. From what you're saying, you almost have to play for the 3 run homer all the time to have a chance (not true, but this is what you're telling me). If this is the case, you wouldn't want to risk losing baserunners by running steals or hit and runs.
                        </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                        You can't play for 1 run like you can in the NL.

                        <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">
                        But this is the reason you steal or hit and run -- manufacturing runs. You just said you can't do this to be successful in the AL.
                        “In my lifetime, we've gone from Eisenhower to George W. Bush. We've gone from John F. Kennedy to Al Gore. If this is evolution, I believe that in twelve years, we'll be voting for plants.” - Lewis Black

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                        • thecomic
                          MVP
                          • Apr 2003
                          • 911

                          #42
                          Re: What is the purpose of a double switch?

                          way to break it down Pitt.

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                          • thecomic
                            MVP
                            • Apr 2003
                            • 911

                            #43
                            Re: What is the purpose of a double switch?

                            way to break it down Pitt.

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                            • LetsGoPitt
                              Cr*m*n*lly *nd*rr*t*d
                              • Jul 2002
                              • 5673

                              #44
                              Re: What is the purpose of a double switch?

                              These kinds of debates are what makes OS great
                              “In my lifetime, we've gone from Eisenhower to George W. Bush. We've gone from John F. Kennedy to Al Gore. If this is evolution, I believe that in twelve years, we'll be voting for plants.” - Lewis Black

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                              • LetsGoPitt
                                Cr*m*n*lly *nd*rr*t*d
                                • Jul 2002
                                • 5673

                                #45
                                Re: What is the purpose of a double switch?

                                These kinds of debates are what makes OS great
                                “In my lifetime, we've gone from Eisenhower to George W. Bush. We've gone from John F. Kennedy to Al Gore. If this is evolution, I believe that in twelve years, we'll be voting for plants.” - Lewis Black

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