not to many people know this but the team that i hate the most (the Boston Red Sox) could have won a world series way before 2004. back in the early 50's the redsox had the draft rights to two players but refused to sign them not because of talent but because of the color of their skin. The Sox let 2 future hall of famers slip away because of race. These two players were Roberto Clemente and The say hey kid Willie Mays. In all honsety imagine the lineup the Red sox could have had. and with the demensions of Fenway really favoring the right handed batter Mays could have easily topped 50-60 homers a year. Because of the color of their skin the Saux failed to sign two of the greatest outfielders to play the game. Good job Sox not only did you have to cheat to win the Series in 2004 but you could have won atleast 1 series if you werent racist.
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Cansaco said the leauge has been juicing since the late 80's
Clemens juiced Pettite juiced Giambi juiced (i forgot the other pitcher) i wouldnt be suprised if O'Neil juiced or Bernie Williams (he just happens to disappear (retire) after the big steroid bust in 05-06)
so if u wanna talk about 04 then lets talk about 95* 96* 98* 99* 00*
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Your facts are incorrect. The baseball draft didn't start until 1965. And even though the Red Sox were reluctant to sign Mays because of his skin color, there were many other teams that were doing the same thing. So to just point out the Red Sox in not singing Mays because he was black is totally a general statement.
And I'm the biggest anti-Red Sox fan on this board but let's not accuse them of racism when baseball in general was practicing the same.
However, the Red Sox does share the dubious honor of being the last team to integrate. Maybe that's why I hate them so much.I have more respect for a man who let's me know where he stands, even if he's wrong. Than the one who comes up like an angel and is nothing but a devil. - Malcolm XComment
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Bernie Williams wanted to keep playing but the Yankees wouldn't offer him a contract. It was a huge story in New York and it was very bitter between Bernie and the Yankees for awhile. They didn't offer him a contract because he couldn't play centerfield anymore, was below average in right field, and was a below average hitter.Originally posted by Jay BilasComment
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unlike clemens and giambi bernie and paul oniel did not juice because if you see there body mass never really changed. oniel and bernie were always pretty skinny (espicially oniel he was a twig). but if you look at giambi and clemens once the started to juice they got fatter and put on muscle aswell. Giambi back in his early days of okland was as thin as wood and the same thing for clemens.
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IMO the Sawx issues started long before whatever groundwork you're trying to nail down.
They traded "The Babe", it all ends there.Originally posted by Edmund BurkeComment
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Willie Mays and Roberto Clemente are two of the greatest players of all time, no question. But to say the Red Sox could have been winning championships if they had signed them is absurd. Hindsight is always 20/20 and while they were great players we don't know that they would have been great in Boston. The Red Sox were not that good for much of the time from 1951-1973 when Mays (and later Clemente) took the field. In fact the Red Sox in that time only made the postseason once during both players careers. I'm honestly not sure either one of them could have helped the Sox at that time.Comment
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