Okay White Sox fans, what do you think? I know Ozzie has led the team to a championship and a couple of division titles, but do you think it's time for the Sox to hear a different voice? I've been watching them during the Red Sox series and have become utterly pissed the hell off. The whole Contreas situation. Playing Dye thru this crazy slump. Keeping Ramirez at third base, where he's just error prone. Allowing players to swing in bunting situations. I could go on and on. And it seems like the players have tuned him out. So am I the only one that feels this way?
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Ozzie is the type of manager that has a short shelf life (3-5 years AT MOST) so I do think it might be time for a change at the manager position. The Sox need a manager who's a bit more quieter and isn't going to run off his mouth to the media. I was thinking maybe he should've been fired after last year but if the Sox continue to falter maybe he should step down for the good of the team.
I don't think that'll happen though and it's going to take a season where the Sox are utterly uncompetitive before he gets canned.Member of the Official OS Bills Backers Club
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Ozzie is probably the only manager in baseball who wouldn't be surprised the day he gets fired. Will he throw an expletive or two in an interview? Heck yea. But afterward, he'll just ask himself how he even got so lucky to hold the position.
That being said, as loud and obnoxious as he might be, I like the guy. He says what's on his mind and I think players like that. He's equally offensive and charming, positive and negative, good and bad. I think he speaks for that team and very few managers will publicly state that he will fight fist-to-fist for his guys, but doesn't want any of them to come over during the off-season."It may well be that we spectators, who are not divinely gifted as athletes, are the only ones able to truly see, articulate and animate the experience of the gift we are denied. And that those who receive and act out the gift of athletic genius must, perforce, be blind and dumb about it -- and not because blindness and dumbness are the price of the gift, but because they are its essence." - David Foster Wallace
"You'll not find more penny-wise/pound-foolish behavior than in Major League Baseball." - Rob NeyerComment
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The funny thing is he has actually kept his mouth shut and behaved himself with the media this season.
The White Sox need to do some retooling of their roster when the season is over. Konerko and Dye have been off and on in slumps basically all season. Contreras and Bartolo Colon have been disasters. It seems everyone other than Thornton and Jenks in the bullpen struggle to get outs.
The team seems to lack direction and that is more of an issue with Kenny Williams than Guillen. Guillen can only use the players he's given.Comment
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Unless we are replacing Ozzie with Tony Larussa, Joe Torre, Ron Gardenhire or anyone of that status then firing Ozzie would do the White Sox no good.
Say what you want about Ozzie but he is one of the better managers in baseball. Is he the best manager in baseball? Not really. But good managers are hard to find these days. Not a lot of people likes what he says but he speaks his mind. When it comes to baseball and his team he speaks the truth. I think Ozzie has rubbed a lot of White Sox fans the wrong way when he went on the tirade he did after the 10-0 beating we got from the Yankees. I myself had no problem with it. We got our asses kicked and it seemed like the player didn't give a **** about it. I'm surprised Ozzie didn't go hard core. The tirade was a little less from Ozzie's intensity.
This team needs to go through a serious overhaul next season. Ozzie is far from the reason the White Sox are in the position they are in.I have more respect for a man who let's me know where he stands, even if he's wrong. Than the one who comes up like an angel and is nothing but a devil. - Malcolm XComment
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A+++++The whole Contreas situation.
Not so sure about firing Ozzie, though.Comment
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Love him. I hope he never gets fired.Comment
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For the talent Gardenhire has to work with every year, he manages to keep his team contending for the division crown. Yeah, he's got Mauer and Monreau in the middle of his lineup but have you looked at the rest of the squad? Not very impressive but he's managed to keep them in contention.
If Gardenhire had Yankees/Red Sox talent, he'd win the AL Central by twenty games.I have more respect for a man who let's me know where he stands, even if he's wrong. Than the one who comes up like an angel and is nothing but a devil. - Malcolm XComment
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LOL... uh-oh. Sounds like Ozzie's fired up again. He has uttererd some vintage quotes after the White Sox lost a tough-to-swallow 14-inning game to the Mariners yesterday where they had a two-run lead going into the bottom of the 9th.
Ozzie's at it again
"I'm only going to say two things," Guillen said. "I'm tired and I don't have anything. ... It was 2 1/2 hours of satisfaction and then 2 1/2 hours of horse [bleep] baseball. Go ask [the players]. I don't have any more quotes, seriously. What the [bleep] am I going to say? They're horse [bleep]? Yes, they are."
"This is a tease, man," Guillen said in the Chicago Tribune. "It's like when you have a girlfriend and you are kissing her all over ... and she says no. That's where we are right now. That's the way we are."
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I have no problem with any of that. Maybe there's a code where you say those things to your team and keep it out of the media, but in a world where every manager and player seems to hide their true words, I think it's nice to have an Ozzie Guillen.
What the [bleep] am I going to say? They're horse [bleep]? Yes, they are."
I think that's just classic Ozzie right there. Yea, most managers wouldn't be that direct, but it's really how he felt and the players feel the same way, I'm sure.
I don't know, to me, when a manager is that fired up and that disgusted (or happy if the result is positive) it shows me he cares about his players and his team. Not to say that other managers don't, but some players respond better to direct speakers than to passive ones. Obviously, some players don't and those players are the ones that Ozzie has Williams kick out or end up in his doghouse."It may well be that we spectators, who are not divinely gifted as athletes, are the only ones able to truly see, articulate and animate the experience of the gift we are denied. And that those who receive and act out the gift of athletic genius must, perforce, be blind and dumb about it -- and not because blindness and dumbness are the price of the gift, but because they are its essence." - David Foster Wallace
"You'll not find more penny-wise/pound-foolish behavior than in Major League Baseball." - Rob NeyerComment
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