Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

[cubsfan203]

Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

Me and a buddy of mine were debating on this the other day....If Michael Young gets to 3000 hits, is he in the Hall of Fame?

Him getting to that mark is definitely possible, as he would have to average just 160 or so hits for 7 seasons to get there (his lowest total in the past 10 years has been 174, and he missed a whole month that season). The problem I have is, what else would he have really accomplished besides that number? Then my friend brought up that only two people in the 3000 hit club won't get in, and it's because of other problems (Rose and Palmeiro).

What do you guys think? IF Michael Young reaches 3,000+ hits, does he get in?

[55]

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He has a career OPS of just .795 and will be 35 by the end of this season. He is not a HoFer in my book.

[rsox]

Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

Me and a buddy of mine were debating on this the other day....If Michael Young gets to 3000 hits, is he in the Hall of Fame?

Him getting to that mark is definitely possible, as he would have to average just 160 or so hits for 7 seasons to get there (his lowest total in the past 10 years has been 174, and he missed a whole month that season). The problem I have is, what else would he have really accomplished besides that number? Then my friend brought up that only two people in the 3000 hit club won't get in, and it's because of other problems (Rose and Palmeiro).

What do you guys think? IF Michael Young reaches 3,000+ hits, does he get in?

Hall of Very Good...yes, Hall of Fame...no.

Young needs 1140 hits to reach 3000, and as 55 said he will be 35 in the offseason. He has no clear position with the Rangers this year and who knows if he will be there next season. If he goes anywhere else he could wind up a utility player and not get enough AB's to make have a real chance. He probably does not get to 200 HR's (currently has 158) and i'm not sure igf he will reach 1000 RBI's (has a decent chance with 814).

Young has been the consumate team player but i think in the end he comes up short.

[Sportsforever]

Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

Me and a buddy of mine were debating on this the other day....If Michael Young gets to 3000 hits, is he in the Hall of Fame?

Him getting to that mark is definitely possible, as he would have to average just 160 or so hits for 7 seasons to get there (his lowest total in the past 10 years has been 174, and he missed a whole month that season). The problem I have is, what else would he have really accomplished besides that number? Then my friend brought up that only two people in the 3000 hit club won't get in, and it's because of other problems (Rose and Palmeiro).

What do you guys think? IF Michael Young reaches 3,000+ hits, does he get in?

Young's days as a productive player are quickly dwindling. At 35, I expect he's out of baseball within 3-4 years. He will not reach 3,000 hits.

[Chip Douglass]

Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

Me and a buddy of mine were debating on this the other day....If Michael Young gets to 3000 hits, is he in the Hall of Fame?

Him getting to that mark is definitely possible, as he would have to average just 160 or so hits for 7 seasons to get there (his lowest total in the past 10 years has been 174, and he missed a whole month that season).

The problem I have is, what else would he have really accomplished besides that number? Then my friend brought up that only two people in the 3000 hit club won't get in, and it's because of other problems (Rose and Palmeiro).

What do you guys think? IF Michael Young reaches 3,000+ hits, does he get in?

And if A-Rod were to average 40 HRs over the next 7 years, he'd finish with 900 HRs.

Those two things aren't happening.

Michael Young posted the worst UZR out of any infielder in the last 10 years. Someone that terrible in the field better make up for it with his bat, ala Jeter, and Young isn't even in Jeter's area code in hitting ability.

So to summarize, yeah no.

[snepp]

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Young has accumulated something like 25 WAR in his career, give or take, about 35 short of where most borderline candidates reside.

[DrJones]

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Young has been the consumate team player but i think in the end he comes up short.

Someday, someone is going to explain to me what exactly it is about Michael Young that makes him "a consummate team player". Good hitter for average, has had a lot of 200-hit seasons, though his home/road splits imply he's helped a lot by playing in a hitter-friendly park. Not much power or plate discipline. Opinion about his defensive contributions vary wildly. Grossly overpaid at $16M. Has publicly slagged GM and demanded trade not once but twice in the last 3 seasons after being asked to move positions, only to find that nobody wanted him at that price tag.

Sounds like a consummate professional next to Manny or Milton Bradley, I suppose. What am I missing here?

[jth1331]

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So how about Todd Helton?
Currently at 2,241 hits, 1,272 runs scored, 527 doubles, 334 homeruns, 1,243 RBI's, career BA of .324, .423 OBP, .978 OPS and OPS+ of 137. Not to mention he won 3 Gold Gloves and is an excellent fielder.
He doesn't have much left, but 2,500 is reachable. I know people will play the Coors card, but geez he still put up a OPS of .873 away from Coors for his career.

[DrJones]

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So how about Todd Helton?
Currently at 2,241 hits, 1,272 runs scored, 527 doubles, 334 homeruns, 1,243 RBI's, career BA of .324, .423 OBP, .978 OPS and OPS+ of 137. Not to mention he won 3 Gold Gloves and is an excellent fielder.
He doesn't have much left, but 2,500 is reachable. I know people will play the Coors card, but geez he still put up a OPS of .873 away from Coors for his career.

Larry Walker

2160 H, 1355 R, 471 2B, 383 HR, 1311 RBI, .313/.400/.565, .965 OPS (.865 road OPS), 140 OPS+, 230 SB (to Helton's 36), 7 Gold Gloves, 3 batting titles, 1 MVP

Votes received in first time on Hall of Fame ballot: 20.3%

I don't like Helton's chances.

[DieHardYankee26]

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So how about Todd Helton?
Currently at 2,241 hits, 1,272 runs scored, 527 doubles, 334 homeruns, 1,243 RBI's, career BA of .324, .423 OBP, .978 OPS and OPS+ of 137. Not to mention he won 3 Gold Gloves and is an excellent fielder.
He doesn't have much left, but 2,500 is reachable. I know people will play the Coors card, but geez he still put up a OPS of .873 away from Coors for his career.

I wouldn't think there's any doubt that Helton makes the Hall of Fame. He's got almost 900 XBH's, great offensive rate stats, and also a great fielder. He'd certainly get my vote.

[DieHardYankee26]

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Larry Walker

2160 H, 1355 R, 471 2B, 383 HR, 1311 RBI, .313/.400/.565, .965 OPS (.865 road OPS), 140 OPS+, 230 SB (to Helton's 36), 7 Gold Gloves, 3 batting titles, 1 MVP

Votes received in first time on Hall of Fame ballot: 20.3%

I don't like Helton's chances.

Larry Walker should also be in the HOF IMO.

[snepp]

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Helton is a solid borderline guy.......along with dozens of others. I'd put him in the category of "can't complain if he makes it, but won't complain if he doesn't."


Walker is in the same category as Trammell for me, a shame that he doesn't receive more support than he does.

[rsox]

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Hall of Very Good but not Hall of Fame.

His biggest detractor is going to be spending his entire career playing at Coors Field. If he an reach 2,500 hits and 400 HR's he might have a decent chance but without those numbers probably not.

[55]

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No to both Helton and Walker from me. They were both very good players who had a few outstanding seasons, but I just don't think of them as "all-timers" if you know what I mean. Plus, they don't have the career stats which is huge in baseball.

[travis72]

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No to both Helton and Walker from me. They were both very good players who had a few outstanding seasons, but I just don't think of them as "all-timers" if you know what I mean. Plus, they don't have the career stats which is huge in baseball.

I know what you mean and I agree with you. I like both guys but I doubtthey get in.