Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

[Coug00]

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As far as Edgar Martinez. He quietly marched through his career putting up non stop solid numbers.

Killed the Yanks.

He's in.

Being an M's fan there haven't been many glory years, but I will never forget Edgar in the 1995 ALDS against the Yanks. He absolutely killed them that series and specifically in game 4 when he knocked in 7 runs (including the Slam off Wetteland in the 8th to bust the game open).

I can't imagine what Edgar's numbers would have been if the M's wouldn't have let him rot in AAA for years while they kept strolling Jim Presley out to third.

[Knight165]

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Edgar Martinez was a pure hitting machine.
He is in.
NO question.

M.K.
Knight165

[DrJones]

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If Edgar had played 3B (or possibly even 1B) for the majority of his career, he'd most likely be in. Because he was a DH, he's borderline. I'll be shocked if he makes it first ballot. His relatively low counting stats and lack of MVP votes are going to be held against him by many of the writers. Frank Thomas is the only primary DH that I see getting in easily. Edgar will be touch and go.

[econoodle]

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If Edgar had played 3B (or possibly even 1B) for the majority of his career, he'd most likely be in. Because he was a DH, he's borderline. I'll be shocked if he makes it first ballot. His relatively low counting stats and lack of MVP votes are going to be held against him by many of the writers. Frank Thomas is the only primary DH that I see getting in easily. Edgar will be touch and go.

hmmm i agree.

[Knight165]

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If Edgar had played 3B (or possibly even 1B) for the majority of his career, he'd most likely be in. Because he was a DH, he's borderline. I'll be shocked if he makes it first ballot. His relatively low counting stats and lack of MVP votes are going to be held against him by many of the writers. Frank Thomas is the only primary DH that I see getting in easily. Edgar will be touch and go.

That would be a little short sighted(by the writers).
First....it's not Edgars fault that the Junior Circuit decided to adopt a silly rule like the D.H.
Second.....I'm sure that if presented with the prospect of having no D.H......any manager in his right mind would have found a position for Martinez....everyday.
His last few years dragged his lifetime batting avg. down and that will hurt somewhat.

M.K.
Knight165

[SPTO]

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That would be a little short sighted(by the writers).
First....it's not Edgars fault that the Junior Circuit decided to adopt a silly rule like the D.H.
Second.....I'm sure that if presented with the prospect of having no D.H......any manager in his right mind would have found a position for Martinez....everyday.
His last few years dragged his lifetime batting avg. down and that will hurt somewhat.

M.K.
Knight165

I think you guys forget that Edgar was a 3B early in his career. I think some huge injury was what caused him to be a DH full time. So really the decision was taken away from managers even if they wanted to put him in the field.

Yep it was an injury (and yes blame Canada if you must)

Martínez made his major league debut in September 12, 1987, and became a fixture in the Mariners' lineup in 1990, replacing Jim Presley at third base. He began his career as a third baseman and won an American League batting title in 1992, but then he tore his hamstring during an exhibition game at BC Place Stadium in Vancouver, B.C. just before the 1993 season, and never fully recovered. [2] Martínez became a full-time designated hitter in 1995.

[DrJones]

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I think you guys forget that Edgar was a 3B early in his career. I think some huge injury was what caused him to be a DH full time. So really the decision was taken away from managers even if they wanted to put him in the field.

Yep it was an injury (and yes blame Canada if you must)

I was there when Edgar tore his hammy on the crappy BC Place carpet. That was the first MLB game I ever saw live, a 4-1 M's win over Milwaukee. Maybe you should blame me.

[Knight165]

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I think you guys forget that Edgar was a 3B early in his career. I think some huge injury was what caused him to be a DH full time. So really the decision was taken away from managers even if they wanted to put him in the field.

Yep it was an injury (and yes blame Canada if you must)

Oh...I didn't forget.
Even with the injury, I think they would have found a way to trot him out there at some position considering his hitting skill.
The D.H. was convenient in this situation.
While it helped a good player extend his career....the D.H. still blows.:wink:
Now....I still say H.O.F. for Edgar.

M.K.
Knight165

[Coug00]

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Oh...I didn't forget.
Even with the injury, I think they would have found a way to trot him out there at some position considering his hitting skill.
The D.H. was convenient in this situation.
While it helped a good player extend his career....the D.H. still blows.:wink:
Now....I still say H.O.F. for Edgar.

M.K.
Knight165

Yeah, the DH was convenient, but at the same time he became so immobile that the only position he could play (crappily) was 1B and they had Tino* blocking him.

*saying/typing Tino Martinez's name makes me develop temporary turrets and shout **** Russ Davis!

[WazzuRC]

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Yeah, the DH was convenient, but at the same time he became so immobile that the only position he could play (crappily) was 1B and they had Tino* blocking him.

*saying/typing Tino Martinez's name makes me develop temporary turrets and shout **** Russ Davis!

Tino Martinez, you mean marble mouth?! And don't knock Russ Davis...we also got Sterling Hitchcock!

Anyway, is Edgar a HOF'er. My unbiased opinion? Absolutely. My biased opinion? Absolutely.

[Coug00]

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Tino Martinez, you mean marble mouth?! And don't knock Russ Davis...we also got Sterling Hitchcock!

Anyway, is Edgar a HOF'er. My unbiased opinion? Absolutely. My biased opinion? Absolutely.

Well, if we're talking about that full trade we can't forget we gave them Nellie as well. Kind of payback for the historic Jay Buhner for Ken Phelp's bat trade years earlier.

[econoodle]

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Please coug, no more reminiscing bout those horrible 80s trades the yankees made lol

digging deeper into Edgars stats, man he DOES deserve it.
This was a good choice to discuss because he was so quiet that he blended in with the scenery, by the end of his career u look and go, HOLY COW' lol

nice numbers, EM, see ya in cooperstown.
not literally.

[ty5oke]

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I think Edgar is in for sure. The DH is a part of the game and he was the best at his position. It was a joy to watch him swing the bat and pick apart the field.

Sure was painful watching him leg out easy doubles in the waning years of his career.

[TheLetterZ]

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I highly doubt he gets in. He didn't play the field, didn't win any MVPs, never went to the World Series, barely had 300 career home runs, and only amassed 2247 hits in his career. And perhaps most damning is that despite playing 18 seasons for the Mariners, at no point was he ever the face of the franchise.

[Coug00]

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I highly doubt he gets in. He didn't play the field, didn't win any MVPs, never went to the World Series, barely had 300 career home runs, and only amassed 2247 hits in his career. And perhaps most damning is that despite playing 18 seasons for the Mariners, at no point was he ever the face of the franchise.

Crosses TheLetterZ off of OSBRSA Christmas List.

Actually, I tend to agree. I don't think Edgar will make it in, but I think he deserves to be in. He was injured too often and he doesn't meet the HOF's standards for longevity. However, while he was healthy, he was the 2nd best right handed hitter of his era (behind the Big Hurt) and still to this day is probably Seattle's favorite son.
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