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  • KMRblue1027
    MVP
    • Oct 2011
    • 1029

    #841
    Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

    Thome is gonna get in. He was a monster at the plate for such a huge stretch plus he a "clean" 600 HR guy. The HoF voters will love him.
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    • Chip Douglass
      Hall Of Fame
      • Dec 2005
      • 12256

      #842
      Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

      Originally posted by yougo1000
      Aramis Ramirez? Top 100 all time in RBIs and about to be Top 200 in hits and would probably be better if not for injuries in 2009 and 2013.
      Absolutely not.

      Originally posted by lhslancers
      IMO Nomar and Sheffield are not even close to HOF players.
      I think you can make a reasonably honest case for Sheffield. The guy was one of the best hitters of his generation, and after all,

      <iframe src="http://www.fangraphs.com/graphframe.aspx?config=0&static=946638&type=graphs w&num=1&h=450&w=450&players=409,210,114" frameborder="0" scrolling="no" height="450" width = "450" style="border:1px solid black;"></iframe><br /><span style="font-size:9pt;">Source: <a href="http://www.fangraphs.com/graphsw.aspx?players=409,210,114&wg=1">FanGraphs</a> -- <a href="http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=114&position=OF">Gary Sheffield</a>, <a href="http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=210&position=OF">Manny Ramirez</a>, <a href="http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=409&position=OF">Jim Thome</a></span>

      The problem with borderline guys like Sheffield is that you can make a similar case for scores of other guys comparable to them: Jim Edmonds, Larry Walker, Lance Berkman, etc.
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      • Chrisksaint
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        • Apr 2010
        • 19127

        #843
        Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

        I think Sheffield is a HoF. .292/.393/.514 with 509HRs and 253SBs is pretty good
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        • AC
          Win the East
          • Sep 2010
          • 14951

          #844
          Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

          I think there's a case to be made either way but I'd put him in
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          • lhslancers
            Banned
            • Nov 2011
            • 3589

            #845
            Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

            Originally posted by Chip Douglass
            Absolutely not.



            I think you can make a reasonably honest case for Sheffield. The guy was one of the best hitters of his generation, and after all,

            <iframe src="http://www.fangraphs.com/graphframe.aspx?config=0&static=946638&type=graphs w&num=1&h=450&w=450&players=409,210,114" scrolling="no" style="border:1px solid black;" frameborder="0" height="450" width="450"></iframe>
            Source: FanGraphs -- Gary Sheffield, Manny Ramirez, Jim Thome

            The problem with borderline guys like Sheffield is that you can make a similar case for scores of other guys comparable to them: Jim Edmonds, Larry Walker, Lance Berkman, etc.
            I wouldn't consider any of those 3 players for The Hall. Edmonds has to be considered one of the top 10 defensive centerfielders of all time though.

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            • lhslancers
              Banned
              • Nov 2011
              • 3589

              #846
              Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

              Originally posted by Chrisksaint
              I think Sheffield is a HoF. .292/.393/.514 with 509HRs and 253SBs is pretty good
              Sheffield was really good but isn't The Hall supposed to be reserved for the Greats?

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              • Review
                Pro
                • Mar 2003
                • 975

                #847
                Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

                Originally posted by lhslancers
                Sheffield was really good but isn't The Hall supposed to be reserved for the Greats?
                You're right. Sheffield was a good player. No shame in that. I don't think he's an all-time great though.

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                • aandrew610
                  Rookie
                  • Jul 2011
                  • 65

                  #848
                  Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

                  i really liked sheffield as a player but I think the whole steroid thing surrounding his name keeps him out wish it wasnt that way but it was. he had one of the more intimidating batting stances too i remember trying to copy it as a kid when he played for the padres

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                  • WaitTilNextYear
                    Go Cubs Go
                    • Mar 2013
                    • 16830

                    #849
                    Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

                    I put Sheffield in and don't really even need to think that hard. Over 500 HRs. 300 more BBs than Ks over his career. A career 141 wRC+. Solid triple slash. A fairly normal aging curve where a 70 HR season didn't just magically appear out of the sky. A coveted commodity through his entire career and one of the most feared hitters of his generation. If Reggie Jackson is in, no reason to keep Sheff out.
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                    • AC
                      Win the East
                      • Sep 2010
                      • 14951

                      #850
                      Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

                      I don't like the "we made a mistake (Reggie Jackson) so let's use it to justify something)" thought process but I'd put in Sheff too. I'd have to think about it a little but he's HOF-worthy imo.
                      "Twelve at-bats is a pretty decent sample size." - Eric Byrnes

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                      • WaitTilNextYear
                        Go Cubs Go
                        • Mar 2013
                        • 16830

                        #851
                        Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

                        Originally posted by AC
                        I don't like the "we made a mistake (Reggie Jackson) so let's use it to justify something)" thought process but I'd put in Sheff too. I'd have to think about it a little but he's HOF-worthy imo.
                        I don't mind comparisons. It's actually helpful. That should not be the only metric used or even the primary one (as indicated by how I just tacked it on at the end), but I don't see a problem with it being a part of the equation.

                        I also don't think Reggie Jackson is a mistake either.
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                        • CBoller1331
                          It Appears I Blue Myself
                          • Dec 2013
                          • 3082

                          #852
                          Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

                          Originally posted by WaitTilNextYear
                          I also don't think Reggie Jackson is a mistake either.
                          Well he is the all time leader in strikeouts, so that's a plus......oh wait he was a hitter so I guess not. JK, I have to agree 2,500+ hits, 550+ homers...Mr October belongs in Cooperstown.
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                          • WaitTilNextYear
                            Go Cubs Go
                            • Mar 2013
                            • 16830

                            #853
                            Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

                            Originally posted by CBoller1331
                            Well he is the all time leader in strikeouts, so that's a plus......oh wait he was a hitter so I guess not. JK, I have to agree 2,500+ hits, 550+ homers...Mr October belongs in Cooperstown.
                            It's hard to say no to a guy who hit a legit 563 homers before any steroid speculation. Led the league in homers 4x, OPS+ 4x, and in SLG% three times. A guy who won league MVP once and came in 2nd one other time when George Brett decided to hit .390. Who was the key offensive figure in 4 World Series wins. In those 4 series he had OPS of .941, 1.045, 1.792, 1.196. Yeah, Mr. October--pretty sure he earned that nickname lol.

                            Even his strikeouts don't look so bad now. He topped out and led the league at 171 K's in his 1st full season in 1968--facing way tougher pitching, but that would only place him tied for 8th in strikeouts last year.
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                            • AC
                              Win the East
                              • Sep 2010
                              • 14951

                              #854
                              Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

                              I thought you were saying Reggie was a mistake, lol. He's pretty comfortably a HOFer.
                              "Twelve at-bats is a pretty decent sample size." - Eric Byrnes

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                              • WaitTilNextYear
                                Go Cubs Go
                                • Mar 2013
                                • 16830

                                #855
                                Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

                                Originally posted by AC
                                I thought you were saying Reggie was a mistake, lol. He's pretty comfortably a HOFer.
                                No, we agree on that. I was using a comparison of Sheffield to Reggie Jackson as more ammo for why I think Sheffield belongs. Both being offensive-minded OFs and having similar career production adds to Sheffield's case slightly imo.
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