Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

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I'm not necessarily saying that he should be in, but the fact that Willie Randolph was "one and done" on the ballot is pretty suspect considering his position. No respect.

[ryan36]

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I think with the steal largely out of favor in the current era, speed guys like Randolph have trouble. Look at Raines... I mean Rickey holds the record, so he's in probably without his power numbers, but other than that..

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Randolph also had a hell of a glove. A lot of his value came from his defense at a premium defensive position.

[ryan36]

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I'm not arguing, but I don't think the people voting love UZR haha

[SpritePuck]

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Before I make a statement about one of these guys and get called a silly ninny.... I have a question, does what you meant to your franchise play in? Or is it simply stats based, numbers?

I ask cause I saw Trammell mentioned and quite honestly during the time he was a Tiger it could be argued he meant more to them than say the majority of these other guys meant to their teams as far as holding a fan base goes. Even when they were dreadful folks showed up to see him. I guess what I am on about is that I would rather see guys like Trammell in the Hall than guys like Bonds. Trammell was class, signed autographs, just an old school real ball player. Of course I am no expert and also he played before my real baseball watching time but it just seems stats are not everything. The fact that I know a lot about the guy at my age and him not being Bonds, Martinez, Bagwell or the sorts says a lot.

Another question, say if a guy took less money to get other players on his team to help them win does this play into voting?

What I am getting at is a Hall of Famer simply a guy who put up numbers or does who he was count? I know who you were can keep you out, but can who you were get you in?

Sorry, I am young and please do not hate me cause I am uninformed about how it really works.

[redsox4evur]

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Before I make a statement about one of these guys and get called a silly ninny.... I have a question, does what you meant to your franchise play in? Or is it simply stats based, numbers?

I ask cause I saw Trammell mentioned and quite honestly during the time he was a Tiger it could be argued he meant more to them than say the majority of these other guys meant to their teams as far as holding a fan base goes. Even when they were dreadful folks showed up to see him. I guess what I am on about is that I would rather see guys like Trammell in the Hall than guys like Bonds. Trammell was class, signed autographs, just an old school real ball player. Of course I am no expert and also he played before my real baseball watching time but it just seems stats are not everything. The fact that I know a lot about the guy at my age and him not being Bonds, Martinez, Bagwell or the sorts says a lot.

Another question, say if a guy took less money to get other players on his team to help them win does this play into voting?

What I am getting at is a Hall of Famer simply a guy who put up numbers or does who he was count? I know who you were can keep you out, but can who you were get you in?

Sorry, I am young and please do not hate me cause I am uninformed about how it really works.

I think it's numbers, didn't use PEDs, and if you were well liked or not. Yes that last part is true. Some of these BBWAA guys will not vote for a guy simply because he was a jackass to them or someone else. Also you have guys that don't vote for guys because they are on the ballot for the first time. That's why you will NEVER see a unanimous guy in the HOF.

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Does anyone have an argument against Carlos Beltran?

[Ghost Of The Year]

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Does anyone have an argument against Carlos Beltran?

You won't get that argument from me.
This, from Baseball Reference, tells me his chances are good.

Hall Of Fame Statistics Player rank in (·)
Black Ink Batting - 1 (770), Average HOFer ≈ 27
Gray Ink Batting - 78 (318), Average HOFer ≈ 144
Hall of Fame Monitor Batting - 104 (151), Likely HOFer ≈ 100
Hall of Fame Standards Batting - 46 (106), Average HOFer ≈ 50
JAWS Center Field (9th), 66.9 career WAR/44.3 7yr-peak WAR/55.6
Average HOF CF (out of 18) = 70.4 career WAR/44.0 7yr-peak WAR/57.2

His Gray Ink & Black Ink numbers could stand a little improvement.

[lhslancers]

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Beltran? Hell no not even close to HOF. Just a pretty good ball player. Couldn't tie Albert Belle's shoes. Now nobody liked that guy but he was very good.

[Trent Booty]

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Beltran was too much of a beast in the postseason to not make it. Also a likeable guy. No reason for him to not make it.

[Trent Booty]

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However, who do you guys feel is the most deserving guy NOT in it already?

[Sportsforever]

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However, who do you guys feel is the most deserving guy NOT in it already?

Tim Raines and it's not even close IMO...dude was Rickey Henderson lite. Should have been in years ago.

[SPTO]

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Tim Raines and it's not even close IMO...dude was Rickey Henderson lite. Should have been in years ago.

I was most encouraged by all the love by the SABR people and some of the old school ink stained wretches campaigning for his induction. Sadly, he's going to go the route of the Vets Committee.

[redsox4evur]

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However, who do you guys feel is the most deserving guy NOT in it already?

I'm going agree with Raines. Also Jeff Bagwell he was always sneaky good.

Also how about guy already in the HOF that is questionable to be in there?

My pick is Biggio. The guy is the example of players who were very good and played a long time in the League. He was never the best player team, IMO. Also he never really instilled fear in managers. To me he is a guy that made it because he was durable.

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However, who do you guys feel is the most deserving guy NOT in it already?

It's pretty obvious to me.

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