Dusty.

[Mr_October]

Re: Dusty.

I would like to see what Jesse Jackson has to say about this. If Dusty is correct then how come young black players aren't coming to baseball anymore? If a white guy said this he would be (John) Rocker'd out of baseball.

[cookusu]

Re: Dusty.

A white guy wouldn't say what Dusty said, because a white guy, doesn't really have the right to say what Dusty said, at least not to the media. I think it was clear Dusty was just talking, whether he believes what he says or how truthful it is another matter.

More blacks might die from heat related illnesses, but it is pretty obvious that darker skin people tend to be from warmer climates and more acclimated to them, but if an American soldier is born and raised in Chicago and he is in the Iraqi desert, he isn't any more acclimated to it than I am.

What Dusty said is what a lot of people say or think when in private, he showed poor judgement in saying these things to the media. He knows that their are always people on both sides of the race issue who are just dying to turn everything into a racial issue.

[cookusu]

Re: Dusty.

A white guy wouldn't say what Dusty said, because a white guy, doesn't really have the right to say what Dusty said, at least not to the media. I think it was clear Dusty was just talking, whether he believes what he says or how truthful it is another matter.

More blacks might die from heat related illnesses, but it is pretty obvious that darker skin people tend to be from warmer climates and more acclimated to them, but if an American soldier is born and raised in Chicago and he is in the Iraqi desert, he isn't any more acclimated to it than I am.

What Dusty said is what a lot of people say or think when in private, he showed poor judgement in saying these things to the media. He knows that their are always people on both sides of the race issue who are just dying to turn everything into a racial issue.

[cookusu]

Re: Dusty.

A white guy wouldn't say what Dusty said, because a white guy, doesn't really have the right to say what Dusty said, at least not to the media. I think it was clear Dusty was just talking, whether he believes what he says or how truthful it is another matter.

More blacks might die from heat related illnesses, but it is pretty obvious that darker skin people tend to be from warmer climates and more acclimated to them, but if an American soldier is born and raised in Chicago and he is in the Iraqi desert, he isn't any more acclimated to it than I am.

What Dusty said is what a lot of people say or think when in private, he showed poor judgement in saying these things to the media. He knows that their are always people on both sides of the race issue who are just dying to turn everything into a racial issue.

[jim416]

Re: Dusty.

If he was white saying this about another race Jesse Jackson would call for his firing.

And here lies a big, big problem.

A white guy wouldn't say what Dusty said, because a white guy, doesn't really have the right to say what Dusty said

And another problem. A white guy doesn't have the right?

On matters of race we have become a very selective and seem to point the finger at only selected people when it comes to race issues/statements that offend. It depends on who you are.

We have become so sensitive to things that are said that political correctness has taken over. Yet, on the other hand, we go into a rage the minute our "freedom of speech" is "taken away". Here again being selective to who is taking the "freedom of speech" away.

I blame the press and our elite for setting the tone of who the fingers should be pointed at. It causes us to argue over things that are really non-issues and keeps us divided even more. We can no longer fluff things off like what Dusty said with a "Dusty, you're nuts" and go about our business. We have to make a national issue out of it. I personally wasn't offended by what Dusty said.

I think he meant that, for example, kids coming up from the Dominican can handle the heat better than some white kid from Washington State. Now, people want his head on a platter and an apology. I hope he sticks to his guns and doesn't apologize.

I also want that the next time a white guys says something in the same vain for people to lighten up. But, the Jesse Jacksons of the world and other race-baiters will never let this die.

We need to choose our battles. This is like crying that the sky is falling. People start to not care about an issue after it is selectively brought up over and over again.

[jim416]

Re: Dusty.

If he was white saying this about another race Jesse Jackson would call for his firing.

And here lies a big, big problem.

A white guy wouldn't say what Dusty said, because a white guy, doesn't really have the right to say what Dusty said

And another problem. A white guy doesn't have the right?

On matters of race we have become a very selective and seem to point the finger at only selected people when it comes to race issues/statements that offend. It depends on who you are.

We have become so sensitive to things that are said that political correctness has taken over. Yet, on the other hand, we go into a rage the minute our "freedom of speech" is "taken away". Here again being selective to who is taking the "freedom of speech" away.

I blame the press and our elite for setting the tone of who the fingers should be pointed at. It causes us to argue over things that are really non-issues and keeps us divided even more. We can no longer fluff things off like what Dusty said with a "Dusty, you're nuts" and go about our business. We have to make a national issue out of it. I personally wasn't offended by what Dusty said.

I think he meant that, for example, kids coming up from the Dominican can handle the heat better than some white kid from Washington State. Now, people want his head on a platter and an apology. I hope he sticks to his guns and doesn't apologize.

I also want that the next time a white guys says something in the same vain for people to lighten up. But, the Jesse Jacksons of the world and other race-baiters will never let this die.

We need to choose our battles. This is like crying that the sky is falling. People start to not care about an issue after it is selectively brought up over and over again.

[jim416]

Re: Dusty.

If he was white saying this about another race Jesse Jackson would call for his firing.

And here lies a big, big problem.

A white guy wouldn't say what Dusty said, because a white guy, doesn't really have the right to say what Dusty said

And another problem. A white guy doesn't have the right?

On matters of race we have become a very selective and seem to point the finger at only selected people when it comes to race issues/statements that offend. It depends on who you are.

We have become so sensitive to things that are said that political correctness has taken over. Yet, on the other hand, we go into a rage the minute our "freedom of speech" is "taken away". Here again being selective to who is taking the "freedom of speech" away.

I blame the press and our elite for setting the tone of who the fingers should be pointed at. It causes us to argue over things that are really non-issues and keeps us divided even more. We can no longer fluff things off like what Dusty said with a "Dusty, you're nuts" and go about our business. We have to make a national issue out of it. I personally wasn't offended by what Dusty said.

I think he meant that, for example, kids coming up from the Dominican can handle the heat better than some white kid from Washington State. Now, people want his head on a platter and an apology. I hope he sticks to his guns and doesn't apologize.

I also want that the next time a white guys says something in the same vain for people to lighten up. But, the Jesse Jacksons of the world and other race-baiters will never let this die.

We need to choose our battles. This is like crying that the sky is falling. People start to not care about an issue after it is selectively brought up over and over again.

[BigRed]

Re: Dusty.

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aholbert32 said:
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BigRed said:
If Dusty's name was Jimmy "The Greek", he'd have been fired by now. The only difference...Jimmy's statement was correct.

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Because, Jimmy "The Greek" said that blacks were better suited to play sports where explosive type movements and actions were necessary because in the days of slaves, blacks were bred to be bigger and stronger.

You can look it up. In those days, blacks were not even considered human. They were animals and treated as such. Today, all animal breeders have what you would call a 'stud'. This is a male of the species that is bigger and stronger than the rest. They breed that 'stud' with the females, perferably the bigger ones. This, in turn produces bigger and stronger offspring and the cycle continues from there.

Was what Jimmy said offensive? Maybe, depends on the person. Was it dumb to say? Probably. Was it factually and historically accurate? Yup.

Blacks were bred, just as horses, pigs and cows are bred today, to be bigger and stronger to be able to do more work.

And I don't think saying such is disrespectful. The actual act of this is, but simply stating history is not.

Red.

[BigRed]

Re: Dusty.

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aholbert32 said:
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BigRed said:
If Dusty's name was Jimmy "The Greek", he'd have been fired by now. The only difference...Jimmy's statement was correct.

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Because, Jimmy "The Greek" said that blacks were better suited to play sports where explosive type movements and actions were necessary because in the days of slaves, blacks were bred to be bigger and stronger.

You can look it up. In those days, blacks were not even considered human. They were animals and treated as such. Today, all animal breeders have what you would call a 'stud'. This is a male of the species that is bigger and stronger than the rest. They breed that 'stud' with the females, perferably the bigger ones. This, in turn produces bigger and stronger offspring and the cycle continues from there.

Was what Jimmy said offensive? Maybe, depends on the person. Was it dumb to say? Probably. Was it factually and historically accurate? Yup.

Blacks were bred, just as horses, pigs and cows are bred today, to be bigger and stronger to be able to do more work.

And I don't think saying such is disrespectful. The actual act of this is, but simply stating history is not.

Red.

[BigRed]

Re: Dusty.

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aholbert32 said:
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BigRed said:
If Dusty's name was Jimmy "The Greek", he'd have been fired by now. The only difference...Jimmy's statement was correct.

<hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

Because, Jimmy "The Greek" said that blacks were better suited to play sports where explosive type movements and actions were necessary because in the days of slaves, blacks were bred to be bigger and stronger.

You can look it up. In those days, blacks were not even considered human. They were animals and treated as such. Today, all animal breeders have what you would call a 'stud'. This is a male of the species that is bigger and stronger than the rest. They breed that 'stud' with the females, perferably the bigger ones. This, in turn produces bigger and stronger offspring and the cycle continues from there.

Was what Jimmy said offensive? Maybe, depends on the person. Was it dumb to say? Probably. Was it factually and historically accurate? Yup.

Blacks were bred, just as horses, pigs and cows are bred today, to be bigger and stronger to be able to do more work.

And I don't think saying such is disrespectful. The actual act of this is, but simply stating history is not.

Red.

[cookusu]

Re: Dusty.

Red,

I don't think what Campaninis said was completely accurate, how slaves were treated really varied a lot between owners, the strongest were not necessarily forced to breed. The big problem with what Campanis said is that he said Blacks lack the Neccessities.

[cookusu]

Re: Dusty.

Red,

I don't think what Campaninis said was completely accurate, how slaves were treated really varied a lot between owners, the strongest were not necessarily forced to breed. The big problem with what Campanis said is that he said Blacks lack the Neccessities.

[cookusu]

Re: Dusty.

Red,

I don't think what Campaninis said was completely accurate, how slaves were treated really varied a lot between owners, the strongest were not necessarily forced to breed. The big problem with what Campanis said is that he said Blacks lack the Neccessities.

[cookusu]

Re: Dusty.

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jim416 said:
If he was white saying this about another race Jesse Jackson would call for his firing.

And here lies a big, big problem.

A white guy wouldn't say what Dusty said, because a white guy, doesn't really have the right to say what Dusty said

And another problem. A white guy doesn't have the right?

On matters of race we have become a very selective and seem to point the finger at only selected people when it comes to race issues/statements that offend. It depends on who you are.

We have become so sensitive to things that are said that political correctness has taken over. Yet, on the other hand, we go into a rage the minute our "freedom of speech" is "taken away". Here again being selective to who is taking the "freedom of speech" away.

I blame the press and our elite for setting the tone of who the fingers should be pointed at. It causes us to argue over things that are really non-issues and keeps us divided even more. We can no longer fluff things off like what Dusty said with a "Dusty, you're nuts" and go about our business. We have to make a national issue out of it. I personally wasn't offended by what Dusty said.

I think he meant that, for example, kids coming up from the Dominican can handle the heat better than some white kid from Washington State. Now, people want his head on a platter and an apology. I hope he sticks to his guns and doesn't apologize.

I also want that the next time a white guys says something in the same vain for people to lighten up. But, the Jesse Jacksons of the world and other race-baiters will never let this die.

We need to choose our battles. This is like crying that the sky is falling. People start to not care about an issue after it is selectively brought up over and over again.

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Jim,

Reality is there are somethings blacks can say about other blacks and Italians can say about other Italians and so on down the line, that if said by another group might be offensive. Then in the case of a white guy saying the same thing as what Dusty said, I personally wouldn't have a problem with it, but others would. I think you are right in a lot of cases people need to lighten up, but on the other hand there are quite a few people who should probably take a few minutes to reflect on some of their beliefs when things like this get stirred up.

I don't even know what Politcally correct means except that people tend to use that term when they want to try and dismiss anothers opinion. "Oh, you are just being Politcally Correct" . Like that takes away the merit of someone's argument.

I personally agree with your analysis of what Dusty said and how he seems to have meant it.

However, I also feel that the people who are trying to make an issue out of this are just as bad or in some ways worse than the Jesse Jackson's of the world. At least in Jesse's case you can make the case of an underrepresnted and previously ,possibly still opressed minority.

It's hard to see how as a white male that anything Dusty said may have hurt me or anyother white guy in any way, so the Dusty is a racist talk is stupid.

[cookusu]

Re: Dusty.

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jim416 said:
If he was white saying this about another race Jesse Jackson would call for his firing.

And here lies a big, big problem.

A white guy wouldn't say what Dusty said, because a white guy, doesn't really have the right to say what Dusty said

And another problem. A white guy doesn't have the right?

On matters of race we have become a very selective and seem to point the finger at only selected people when it comes to race issues/statements that offend. It depends on who you are.

We have become so sensitive to things that are said that political correctness has taken over. Yet, on the other hand, we go into a rage the minute our "freedom of speech" is "taken away". Here again being selective to who is taking the "freedom of speech" away.

I blame the press and our elite for setting the tone of who the fingers should be pointed at. It causes us to argue over things that are really non-issues and keeps us divided even more. We can no longer fluff things off like what Dusty said with a "Dusty, you're nuts" and go about our business. We have to make a national issue out of it. I personally wasn't offended by what Dusty said.

I think he meant that, for example, kids coming up from the Dominican can handle the heat better than some white kid from Washington State. Now, people want his head on a platter and an apology. I hope he sticks to his guns and doesn't apologize.

I also want that the next time a white guys says something in the same vain for people to lighten up. But, the Jesse Jacksons of the world and other race-baiters will never let this die.

We need to choose our battles. This is like crying that the sky is falling. People start to not care about an issue after it is selectively brought up over and over again.

<hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

Jim,

Reality is there are somethings blacks can say about other blacks and Italians can say about other Italians and so on down the line, that if said by another group might be offensive. Then in the case of a white guy saying the same thing as what Dusty said, I personally wouldn't have a problem with it, but others would. I think you are right in a lot of cases people need to lighten up, but on the other hand there are quite a few people who should probably take a few minutes to reflect on some of their beliefs when things like this get stirred up.

I don't even know what Politcally correct means except that people tend to use that term when they want to try and dismiss anothers opinion. "Oh, you are just being Politcally Correct" . Like that takes away the merit of someone's argument.

I personally agree with your analysis of what Dusty said and how he seems to have meant it.

However, I also feel that the people who are trying to make an issue out of this are just as bad or in some ways worse than the Jesse Jackson's of the world. At least in Jesse's case you can make the case of an underrepresnted and previously ,possibly still opressed minority.

It's hard to see how as a white male that anything Dusty said may have hurt me or anyother white guy in any way, so the Dusty is a racist talk is stupid.