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  • SlimKibbles
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    • Apr 2004
    • 7276

    #76
    Re: Realignment ideas from Rosenthal

    Originally posted by Other Guy
    I'll bump this thread as it looks like realignment talks are coming up again...Astros the the AL?

    http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=6651634
    Sandman posted this link a few pages back. It's basically the same idea from Jeff Passan of Yahoo Sports.



    I have no issues going back to the giant one division league setup.
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    • spit_bubble
      MVP
      • Nov 2004
      • 3292

      #77
      Re: Realignment ideas from Rosenthal

      Originally posted by Other Guy
      I'll bump this thread as it looks like realignment talks are coming up again...Astros the the AL?

      http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=6651634
      From the article:

      "...A sticking point involves interleague play. Because of the odd number of teams in each league, it is possible that a team in contention late in the season will have to be playing its final games in interleague play..."

      Not sure why that would be a sticking point. It's not like interleague play is just some sort of exhibition game. Truth is both teams could be competing for a post season spot.

      With 30 teams anything they do is going to seem off. They shoulda stayed at 28 teams... Seven teams per division... AL/NL East/West... 1st place team plays 2nd place team in other division.
      All ties severed...

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      • p_rushing
        Hall Of Fame
        • Feb 2004
        • 14514

        #78
        Re: Realignment ideas from Rosenthal

        If they split it to 15 teams each they are going to really screw up the scheduling and might as well just make 1 big league. You are going to have to have inter-league play throughout the year or give 1 team in each league a series off.

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        • kehlis
          Moderator
          • Jul 2008
          • 27738

          #79
          Re: Realignment ideas from Rosenthal

          I still have yet to see anyone answer how they can pull off a schedule with two 15 team leagues.

          It makes no sense to me.


          Why are they messing with something that is working fine.

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          • p_rushing
            Hall Of Fame
            • Feb 2004
            • 14514

            #80
            Re: Realignment ideas from Rosenthal

            Originally posted by kehlis
            I still have yet to see anyone answer how they can pull off a schedule with two 15 team leagues.
            The schedule becomes similar to the NFL or NBA where you play every other team. So every series at least 1 team will be playing a team from the other league.

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            • bwburke94
              Pro
              • Mar 2009
              • 585

              #81
              Re: Realignment ideas from Rosenthal

              The best solution IMO is to:

              Move the Brewers to AL Central and Royals to AL West to balance the divisions.

              Playoffs have 6 teams/league with 3 division winners and 3 wild cards.
              Teams will be seeded on record alone, though all division winners are guaranteed a spot.
              Tiebreakers for division: Same as current, unless #2 seed is at stake in which case it is a one-game playoff.
              Tiebreakers for #1/#3/#4/#5: Division winner > WC, H2H, record in league games, previous year's record, 2 years ago record, etc.
              Tiebreakers for #2/#6: One-game playoff
              Three-team tiebreakers involving #2/#6: They'll think of something

              I am completely AGAINST deciding division winners by H2H if wild cards have to play an extra series. Seeding by record fixes that for the most part.
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              • Sandman42
                Hall Of Fame
                • Aug 2004
                • 15186

                #82
                Re: Realignment ideas from Rosenthal

                If they are going to eliminate divisions they need to keep it at 14 teams in the AL and 16 in the NL. Otherwise that's going to create a ton of problems with scheduling and will likely force the NL to have a mandatory DH.
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                • CMH
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                  • Oct 2002
                  • 26203

                  #83
                  Re: Realignment ideas from Rosenthal

                  Without getting into how they'll do it, I have to say that I am a huge fan of this idea. Not necessarily the 15 team leagues and constant Interleague, but definitely of having one huge division per league.

                  Screw tradition. This is the closest you'll get to having a fair playoff format without just lumping every team into one huge division.
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                  • berenjena
                    Pro
                    • Jan 2008
                    • 735

                    #84
                    Re: Realignment ideas from Rosenthal

                    to the hell in watching a pitcher hit or getting injury running the bases.

                    The DH would prolong careers (chipper jones, Jim thome) and would give teams and DH (David Ortiz) more options to create their roster and more teams and options to sign with in Ortiz's case.

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                    • IlliniM1ke
                      Heroes Never Die
                      • Feb 2003
                      • 8082

                      #85
                      Re: Realignment ideas from Rosenthal

                      If the NL goes to using a DH I'm going to lose a lot of interest in baseball, if anything the AL should get rid of it.

                      It takes so much strategy out of the game.

                      I don't mind the idea of realignment, I do not like the 15/15 split where you play 78 interleague games a year like I read on ESPN, that is way too much interleague.
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                      • SlimKibbles
                        Supporter
                        • Apr 2004
                        • 7276

                        #86
                        Re: Realignment ideas from Rosenthal

                        Originally posted by CMH
                        Without getting into how they'll do it, I have to say that I am a huge fan of this idea. Not necessarily the 15 team leagues and constant Interleague, but definitely of having one huge division per league.

                        Screw tradition. This is the closest you'll get to having a fair playoff format without just lumping every team into one huge division.
                        That was tradition up until 1969. I'm all for bringing it back.

                        Originally posted by berenjena
                        to the hell in watching a pitcher hit or getting injury running the bases.

                        The DH would prolong careers (chipper jones, Jim thome) and would give teams and DH (David Ortiz) more options to create their roster and more teams and options to sign with in Ortiz's case.
                        To each their own. I hate the DH. If a guy is too washed up to play the field, that's his problem. How often do pitchers get hurt while batting or running the bases? It's part of the game. Like CardsFan, I'd probably lose a little interest in baseball if they forced the DH on the NL. I find AL baseball rather boring.
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                        • TheMatrix31
                          RF
                          • Jul 2002
                          • 52920

                          #87
                          Re: Realignment ideas from Rosenthal

                          **** the DH. Realigning, I don't know. Haven't given it much thought to be honest. Never really saw a problem with how things are.

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                          • stlstudios189
                            MVP
                            • Jan 2009
                            • 2649

                            #88
                            Re: Realignment ideas from Rosenthal

                            move the Astros to the AL west or the AL central and move the Royals to the AL west. schedule issues shouldn't end up too big of a deal even if that means 1 team is playing an interleague series to end the season.
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                            • DrJones
                              All Star
                              • Mar 2003
                              • 9109

                              #89
                              Re: Realignment ideas from Rosenthal

                              With Major League Baseball and the Players Association considering some form of realignment, I would suggest geographic realignment, with six divisions of five teams each.


                              This is hilarious. Bowden calls for geographic realignment and 12 playoff teams:

                              "In each conference, the three division winners and the three teams with the next-best records would be postseason-bound. The division winner with the conference's best record, the No. 1 seed, would play the No. 6 seed; the team with the second-best record, the No. 2 seed, would play the No. 5 seed, etc. The first round of the playoffs would be a best-of-five series. The next rounds would be best-of-seven series."

                              Er... how exactly do those "next rounds" of the playoffs work with 3 teams remaining per "conference", champ? Do the highest remaining seeds get a second-round bye? Guess Bowden didn't think that far ahead. His tenure with the Nats now makes a lot of sense.
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                              • SlimKibbles
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                                • Apr 2004
                                • 7276

                                #90
                                Re: Realignment ideas from Rosenthal

                                Originally posted by DrJones
                                http://espn.go.com/blog/the-gms-offi...ic-realignment

                                This is hilarious. Bowden calls for geographic realignment and 12 playoff teams:

                                "In each conference, the three division winners and the three teams with the next-best records would be postseason-bound. The division winner with the conference's best record, the No. 1 seed, would play the No. 6 seed; the team with the second-best record, the No. 2 seed, would play the No. 5 seed, etc. The first round of the playoffs would be a best-of-five series. The next rounds would be best-of-seven series."

                                Er... how exactly do those "next rounds" of the playoffs work with 3 teams remaining per "conference", champ? Do the highest remaining seeds get a second-round bye? Guess Bowden didn't think that far ahead. His tenure with the Nats now makes a lot of sense.
                                Yeah you gotta consider the source with this one. This is the same guy that loved "5-tool" players, despite them not proving anything in the majors, when he was the Reds GM. Oh how I remember the Ruben Mateo experiment. RUBEN MATEO! And, for holding up the Ken Griffey Jr trade with Seattle for a time all because he didn't want to trade Pokey Reese.
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                                "The wisest men follow their own direction." - Euripides

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