Realignment ideas from Rosenthal

[Bahnzo]

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Orlando? Just what MLB needs, another Florida team that doesn't draw fans.

I'm pretty much against any more expansion...watering down the pitching pool would be bad for baseball as a whole.

[adice15]

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From the mouth of South Park: dumb dumb dumb dumb dumbbbbbb

Like I said, I came up with it in 5 minutes or less.

Orlando? Just what MLB needs, another Florida team that doesn't draw fans.

I'm pretty much against any more expansion...watering down the pitching pool would be bad for baseball as a whole.

Yeah, I think the second one is better overall, with better expansion cities and no teams switching leagues. I put Orlando because I was thinking of cities with other professional sports but without MLB, and that was the first that came to my mind.

I don't have a preference with expansion. I wouldn't be mad if it happened, but I wouldn't be excited either.

[BatsareBugs]

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I wouldn't mind expansion, it'd be better to go 14-14 or 16-16 instead of 15-15. Of course I'd vote yes on Portland and Charlotte, especially since Portland no longer has a professional baseball organization.

[DonkeyJote]

Portland might be able to support a team. But they couldn't support the triple A team (they're in Tuscon and will move to Escondido in North San Diego County). Charlotte could not.

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[BatsareBugs]

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Portland might be able to support a team. But they couldn't support the triple A team (they're in Tuscon and will move to Escondido in North San Diego County). Charlotte could not.

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Not exactly true about Portland. The owner of the Beavers gambled with trying to get the Beavers a stadium by converting PGE Park to a Soccer-only venue but the people weren't having it. Moorad bought the Beavers with the intent of having them playing in Escondido down the line (again, new stadium), but that may not happen at all and they might remain in Tucson.

It's probably just me but in the 2nd "expansion" listed, I'd love to have Portland and San Diego flipped in leagues.

[DonkeyJote]

Ooooooooo

Not exactly true about Portland. The owner of the Beavers gambled with trying to get the Beavers a stadium by converting PGE Park to a Soccer-only venue but the people weren't having it. Moorad bought the Beavers with the intent of having them playing in Escondido down the line (again, new stadium), but that may not happen at all and they might remain in Tucson.

It's probably just me but in the 2nd "expansion" listed, I'd love to have Portland and San Diego flipped in leagues.

The owner didn't do that. The city wanted an MLS team, and when they had trouble finding a new site for a new baseball stadium, they risked their baseball team by voting to convert PGE park anyway. They couldn't find a site big enough for a triple a team, how are you going to build an MLB stadium. People in Portland tend to be Mariners fans anyway.

If expansion were to happen (and I don't think it should), the first place to be considered should be Las Vegas. Charlotte, Sacramento, and New Orleans are out. If you can't support an NBA team, you aren't getting a baseball team. New Jersey is probably the only other place that might work.



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[1Rose]

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With attendance down as a whole, expansion is a bad idea. Especially in a city like Orlando.

Realignment is really only necessary to even out divisions.

My suggestion for a while has been move the Astros to the AL West (Stupid that Texas is west, yes, but the Rangers are there as well). The Pirates to the NL East. The Nats to the AL East and the Blue Jays to the NL Central.

[GreenGlen]

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Is there an actual rivalry there, though? Don't the Rangers have a legit rivalry with the Angels?

Bad Idea.

There is no rivalry with the rangers, nor do the people here care to have one. In addition to having more late start west coast games, it would also take away from the big draws of the cards and cubs coming to town. Houston is a NL city, just leave it the way it is now.

[Sublime12089]

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As a Rays fan, I am for any possible realignment. It can't possibly get any worse for us.

[Dirty Turtles]

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Somehow the Marlins will get moved to the AL, because Back to the Future II predicted the Cubs to beat Miami in the 2015 World Series.

[Perfect Zero]

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Bad Idea.

There is no rivalry with the rangers, nor do the people here care to have one. In addition to having more late start west coast games, it would also take away from the big draws of the cards and cubs coming to town. Houston is a NL city, just leave it the way it is now.

From a Rangers' fan perspective, the Angles-Rangers series is our best rivalry. There's also a lot of hate for the yankees, and we have good series' with the Athletics and Mariners. The "Silver Boot Series" is nothing but marketing from Rangers and Astros brass.

[mikenever]

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They should go back to two divisions in each league. A lot of these ideas are just ways to sidestep the larger need to have revenue sharing and salary caps and floors.

[DonkeyJote]

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They should go back to two divisions in each league. A lot of these ideas are just ways to sidestep the larger need to have revenue sharing and salary caps and floors.

Why is there a need for that? Because teams in big markets with large fan bases have more money than smaller ones? That's capitalism. Has is helped the NFL? Because 7 of the last 8 NFC Champions are the Patriots. The Colts have won 7 of 9 AFC South titles all time (the Titans have the other two, leaving the Jags and Texans with 0). The Steelers have won 6 of the last 10 North/Central titles. Last year ended the Chargers' streak of 4 straight AFC West Titles. In the NFC, the Seahawks have 5 of 7 West titles, and the Eagles have 6 of 10. 2 out 8 divisions in the NFL don't have a dominant franchise. Couple that with the fact that players (aside from QB's) constantly switch teams in the NFL thanks to no guaranteed contracts, and ridiculous trades that are only to make cap room in the NBA, I don't see how a salary cap helps a whole lot.

I hate the idea of realignment if it's purpose is simply to seperate the Yankees or Red Sox, or to move the Rays away from them. If you can't beat them, go somewhere where it's easier? Seriously? They just want to give up, whine about it not being fair, take their ball and go to a different division so it's not so gosh darn hard? It's pathetic if that's the reasoning. If that's the solution of teams like the Rays, or Blue Jays, or anyone else for that matter, then they don't deserve to ever have a winner. Because running away from the big, mean team is not what sports are about.

[mikenever]

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Why is there a need for that? Because teams in big markets with large fan bases have more money than smaller ones? That's capitalism. Has is helped the NFL? Because 7 of the last 8 NFC Champions are the Patriots. The Colts have won 7 of 9 AFC South titles all time (the Titans have the other two, leaving the Jags and Texans with 0). The Steelers have won 6 of the last 10 North/Central titles. Last year ended the Chargers' streak of 4 straight AFC West Titles. In the NFC, the Seahawks have 5 of 7 West titles, and the Eagles have 6 of 10. 2 out 8 divisions in the NFL don't have a dominant franchise. Couple that with the fact that players (aside from QB's) constantly switch teams in the NFL thanks to no guaranteed contracts, and ridiculous trades that are only to make cap room in the NBA, I don't see how a salary cap helps a whole lot.

I hate the idea of realignment if it's purpose is simply to seperate the Yankees or Red Sox, or to move the Rays away from them. If you can't beat them, go somewhere where it's easier? Seriously? They just want to give up, whine about it not being fair, take their ball and go to a different division so it's not so gosh darn hard? It's pathetic if that's the reasoning. If that's the solution of teams like the Rays, or Blue Jays, or anyone else for that matter, then they don't deserve to ever have a winner. Because running away from the big, mean team is not what sports are about.

The NFL and NBA both have had some forms of revenue sharing. Also, both sports have more action than baseball. Bringing up football as a basis for comparison isnt a good idea. Its hard enough for baseball as it is without embracing their current model.

And again, all of these ideas are really just schemes to avoid addressing the real problem.

[DonkeyJote]

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The NFL and NBA both have had some forms of revenue sharing. Also, both sports have more action than baseball. Bringing up football as a basis for comparison isnt a good idea. Its hard enough for baseball as it is without embracing their current model.

And again, all of these ideas are really just schemes to avoid addressing the real problem.

How does how much action takes place have anything to do with revenue sharing? And I know the NFL and NBA have a form of revenue sharing. So does baseball. Revenue sharing has actually probably made the problem worse.

That's the point. And every year in the NFL, it's the Colts, Steelers, Pats, and Chargers in the playoffs, and it's a pretty good bet Philly will be there too. It's the same teams every year, just like in baseball. It's worse in the NBA. Did you know it's been 13 straight years where the West has been represented in the finals by either San Antonio, Dallas, or the Lakers? And since the NBA adopted a cap in 84, there's been 4 runs of 3 straight finals appearances (Celtics, Pistons, Bulls twice), and two more of 2 straight (Pistons and Nets). There's no parody in the NBA. A cap does nothing for them - it's still mostly big markets.

Funny thing, people like to point at the Yankees when talking about out of control spending ruining competitive balance, but the Yanks won most their titles before they started going crazy bringing in big name free agents. Also, in the last 10 years, MLB has only one team with two championships (Red Sox). NFL has 2 (Steelers and Pats, a 3 time winner), and the NBA has 2 (Lakers, 3 times, Spurs, 3 times). Salary Caps really do make for an even playing field....