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  • st0rmb11
    All Star
    • Nov 2008
    • 5167

    #1

    Reggie Jackson

    Sorry if this isn't the place for this or if this has ever been discussed on here.

    But it's something that's "bothered" me for a while now, and something I hear quite often, and it just makes no sense to me.


    The other night at the Home Run Derby, they were showing and talking about some of the participants being down on the field with Hank Aaron, Frank Robinson, and Reggie Jackson, and saying what an honor it must be for those young guys.

    But, the first thing my dad & I thought (and both said) is "what an honor it is for Reggie Jackson to be on the field with Aaron and Robinson."

    He is nowhere near the player either of those 2 were. He wasn't even half the player those guys were. But, all the time I hear people reference him as one of the Top 10 Outfielders of all-time, and talk about how he is one of the most feared hitters in baseball history. He's even in some "experts'" top 50 players all-time lists.

    Many people refer to him as the most clutch hitter ever. Now, I never saw him play, but I've studied his numbers and compared them with other players'. and my dad DID see him, and feels the same way about him. We both feel that he is a VASTLY overrated player.

    My finds it a disgrace that he even has his number retired by the Yankees (dad's a lifetime Yankees fan...so, 64 years a Yankee fan).

    It seems to me like Reggie's entire career legacy has been based on 1 postseason game where he hit 3 home runs. His career numbers are FAR from impressive (outside of his 563 home runs).

    .262 career average, 2,597 K's (most all-time), HORRIBLE fielder (didn't even try many times).

    he's basically Adam Dunn...(without the walks & OBP)

    So, someone more knowledgeable than me, convince me why this guy is worthy of the praise he receives.... (not trying to start a controversy here..just legitimately curious.)

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  • Tomahawk
    MVP
    • Feb 2005
    • 1593

    #2
    Re: Reggie Jackson

    I think a lot of Reggie's star power comes from playing well for the Yankees and from his own self-promotion. Also, he did win two World Series MVP's and play in 6 World Series with his team winning 5 times. Plus, hitting 563 homers in the era he played isn't too shabby.

    Consider the fact that he hit 18 home runs and drove in 48 runs in the playoffs with most of them coming in either the World Series or ALCS. He did well at a time when the most people are watching and that can only help your image.

    Reggie also gets labeled a winner because his teams only missed the playoffs twice from 1971 to 1982 when it was much harder to make the playoffs. Guys on winning teams especially those in New York get more credit for being better than they might have been just because their teams won.

    As far as one of the Top 10 outfielders of all time I don't think he is even close. Just off the top of my head and I'm sure I will forget someone, but I would take any of the following in my Top 10 over Reggie.

    Ty Cobb
    Hank Aaron
    Willie Mays
    Mickey Mantle
    Joe DiMaggio
    Babe Ruth
    Ken Griffey, Jr.
    Ted Williams
    Stan Musial
    Manny Ramirez
    Tony Gwynn
    Ichiro Suzuki
    Tris Speaker
    Rickey Henderson
    Last edited by Tomahawk; 07-15-2010, 08:01 AM.
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    • SPTO
      binging
      • Feb 2003
      • 68046

      #3
      Re: Reggie Jackson

      I think that if Reggie never became a Yankee he'd be remembered as a great player but without the hype that playing in NY gave him. I think he'd eventually get in the HOF though as he did hit a ton of HRs in a pitcher friendly park. In fact his 2 best all around years came as a member of the A's in '69 and '73. When he was younger he was a good fielder though he did accrue some nagging knee/leg problems that by the time he got to the Bronx had taken away all his mobility in the field. So yes Reg-gie was an all time great but his legacy is bolstered by his years in Yankee pinstripes which seems to happen to everyone who wears that uniform at sometime or another.
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      • Sportsforever
        NL MVP
        • Mar 2005
        • 20368

        #4
        Re: Reggie Jackson

        Reggie was great, but not as great as Reggie thinks he was. This quote of his has always made me scratch my head:

        "After Jackie Robinson the most important black in baseball history is Reggie Jackson, I really mean that."

        Willie Mays, Hank Aaron, Roberto Clemente, Rod Carew, Roy Campanella, Don Newcombe, Larry Doby, and a host of others probably wouldn't agree.
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        • SPTO
          binging
          • Feb 2003
          • 68046

          #5
          Re: Reggie Jackson

          Originally posted by Sportsforever
          Reggie was great, but not as great as Reggie thinks he was. This quote of his has always made me scratch my head:

          "After Jackie Robinson the most important black in baseball history is Reggie Jackson, I really mean that."

          Willie Mays, Hank Aaron, Roberto Clemente, Rod Carew, Roy Campanella, Don Newcombe, Larry Doby, and a host of others probably wouldn't agree.
          LOL!

          That's Rickey Henderson level of hyperbole right there.
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          • jorge380
            MVP
            • Jun 2003
            • 1249

            #6
            Re: Reggie Jackson

            What Reggie brought to team more then stats was swagger.All the teams that he played with had some swagger to them,especially those A'S teams from the early seventies.Yes there was better outfielders then Reggie,but he on and off the field the guy contributed alot to the game.Sometimes positive and negative but the guy filled the seats and fans just loved to root against the guy.

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            • Mr. Franchise
              WAT
              • Nov 2008
              • 2311

              #7
              Re: Reggie Jackson

              I really don't get why his number is retired as a Yankee. Kinda pisses me off.
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              • Scottdau
                Banned
                • Feb 2003
                • 32580

                #8
                Re: Reggie Jackson

                He was Mr. October though. And when it matter most he showed up. A lot of star don't do that. But Robinson and Hank are two of the greatest players ever to play the game. But I still say being on the same field with Reggie is pretty big to those players. And with the younger guys, it would be a big treat to be on the same field with Jr. and some of the older players in their late 30's That is the generation they watched.

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                • SPTO
                  binging
                  • Feb 2003
                  • 68046

                  #9
                  Re: Reggie Jackson

                  Originally posted by Mr. Franchise
                  I really don't get why his number is retired as a Yankee. Kinda pisses me off.
                  As others said he came through in the clutch, was Mr. October and brought swagger to the teams he played on. You have to remember the Yanks were not "The Evil Empire". At the time it was a Mets town first and foremost and Steinbrenner's ownership along with Jackson's cocksure attitude got the media's attention and made people take notice. In fact, you can say that Jackson was the driving force of those Yankees teams.

                  Remember he was the straw that stirred the drink for better or for worse. So as the first true superstar of the Steinbrenner era I think it's ok that his number is retired.
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                  • Chip Douglass
                    Hall Of Fame
                    • Dec 2005
                    • 12256

                    #10
                    Re: Reggie Jackson

                    Originally posted by Tomahawk
                    Ty Cobb
                    Hank Aaron
                    Willie Mays
                    Mickey Mantle
                    Joe DiMaggio
                    Babe Ruth
                    Ken Griffey, Jr.
                    Ted Williams
                    Stan Musial
                    Manny Ramirez
                    Tony Gwynn
                    Ichiro Suzuki
                    Tris Speaker
                    Rickey Henderson
                    Barry Bonds, Frank Robinson, Mel Ott, Shoeless Joe Jackson, Ralph Kiner, Roberto Clemente, Willie Stargell and Willie McCovey (who was primarily a 1B, but still had a few hundred games in the OF under his belt)...point taken though.

                    He still has a ways to go if he wants to catch up to Pete Rose for the title of most overrated.
                    Last edited by Chip Douglass; 07-15-2010, 08:12 PM.
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                    • jorge380
                      MVP
                      • Jun 2003
                      • 1249

                      #11
                      Re: Reggie Jackson

                      Originally posted by Olson-for-Heisman
                      Barry Bonds, Frank Robinson, Mel Ott, Shoeless Joe Jackson, Ralph Kiner, Roberto Clemente, Willie Stargell and Willie McCovey (who was primarily a 1B, but still had a few hundred games in the OF under his belt)...point taken though.

                      He still has a ways to go if he wants to catch up to Pete Rose for the title of most overrated.
                      Im sorry my friend but Pete Rose was not overrated.They guy gave 150% everyday,no matter what was hurting.

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                      • Chip Douglass
                        Hall Of Fame
                        • Dec 2005
                        • 12256

                        #12
                        Re: Reggie Jackson

                        Originally posted by jorge380
                        Im sorry my friend but Pete Rose was not overrated.They guy gave 150% everyday,no matter what was hurting.
                        IMO, he is. He's considered an all-time great, yet he was arguably only the 3rd or 4th best player on the Big Red Machine. Aside from playing for 20+ years and hitting at a solid clip, I don't see what makes him such a giant of the game as to deserve the honor of being on the MLB's All-Century Team, especially over guys like Rickey Henderson, Barry Bonds, Tris Speaker, Tony Gwynn, Joe Jackson, and Mel Ott.

                        Rose was more of an incredible longevity player than an incredible player.
                        Last edited by Chip Douglass; 07-15-2010, 11:44 PM.
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                        • jorge380
                          MVP
                          • Jun 2003
                          • 1249

                          #13
                          Re: Reggie Jackson

                          MLB Records

                          4,256 career hits
                          3,562 career games played
                          14,053 career at-bats

                          3 rings
                          played multiple positions
                          44 game hitting streak.

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                          • Chip Douglass
                            Hall Of Fame
                            • Dec 2005
                            • 12256

                            #14
                            Re: Reggie Jackson

                            Originally posted by jorge380
                            MLB Records

                            4,256 career hits
                            3,562 career games played
                            14,053 career at-bats

                            3 rings
                            played multiple positions
                            44 game hitting streak.
                            Thank you for proving my point that he was an incredible longevity player.
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                            • Tomahawk
                              MVP
                              • Feb 2005
                              • 1593

                              #15
                              Re: Reggie Jackson

                              Originally posted by Olson-for-Heisman
                              Thank you for proving my point that he was an incredible longevity player.
                              Did Rose hang on 5 or so years just to break Ty Cobbs' record? I think we can all agree to the answer to that is yes, but who wouldn't if they could do it and were physically capable.

                              Besides being the all-time hits leader and the epitome of hustling and playing hard throughout his career I think the following things really stand out.
                              • 10 seasons with 200 hits
                              • Played several positions very well and won two Gold Gloves
                              • Started the All-Star game at 5 different positions
                              • .321 Batting average with 5 HR's, 22 RBI's and 30 runs in 67 postseason games.
                              • Led the league in runs 4 times
                              • Led the league in hits 7 times
                              • Led the league in average 3 times
                              • From 1965 to 1981 only hit under .300 twice with the exceptions being .282 and .284
                              • Very durable player throughout the vast majority of his career.
                              • Led the league in hits at age 40.
                              • Led the league in doubles 5 times between age 33 and 39.


                              Also, you can look at this site...
                              http://www.baseball-reference.com/le...s_40_bat.shtml

                              It shows the all-time leaders through their age 40 season and Rose still has some very favorable career numbers before he played those final 5 seasons to break Cobbs' record.
                              • 6th in games played right behind Ty Cobb which shows his durability despite always playing hard.
                              • 1st in plate appearance due to his durability and usually batting at the top of the order.
                              • 7th in runs scored.
                              • 2nd only to Cobb in hits.
                              • 4th in doubles.
                              • 2nd in singles.
                              • 3rd in times on base behind Cobb and Bonds.
                              • 2nd in outs made, but everyone besides Rose, Biggio, and Palmeiro in the top 10 are members of the Hall of Fame.


                              He didn't hit for a lot of power, but neither did Gwynn, Boggs, or Ichiro among others. Also, during the 60's and 70's players didn't put up the power numbers that they have the last 20 years.

                              Up until age 40 he was a great player and I agree the last 5 years were more about breaking Cobbs' record than anything else. Those extra 5 years knocked off 7 points off of his career batting average which was .310 following his age 40 season (3697 for 11910).

                              I don't think he is the most overrated player of all-time though. He wouldn't be one of the starting 9 on my the all-time team, but he would be my Utility guy without a doubt.
                              Last edited by Tomahawk; 07-16-2010, 06:40 AM.
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