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  • wheels2121
    Pro
    • Nov 2002
    • 672

    #121
    Re: Red Sox are a joke

    coaching doesn't have much affect in baseball at all. All the guys you just mentioned (with the exception of Jones, who was so bad the ROCKIES let him go) came from small markets and are suddenly thrust into the race. BIG adjustment.

    Lowe was a Cy Young candidate under a similar coaching staff and the same manager this year. Wallace is regarded highly, and Cloninger, who they still have contact with, is one of the best.

    As for leaving men on base, no, Nomar doesn't need advice. He just didn't get it done. Manny struck out late in the game, and that wasn't Ron Jackson's fault. Many major league hitters have personal hitting instructors and don't even talk to the team's coach.

    We're finding out the results of what we already knew, the sox got guys who had never done it in big games in the pen (need I bring up Kim's 2001 series?) or had never been there, and that hitting comes and goes in cycles, unless you're a special player like Bonds.

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    • BTB
      Th*s **n't s** w*rld
      • Mar 2003
      • 3520

      #122
      Re: Red Sox are a joke

      Coaches dont make a difference? Then why is that year in and year out, teams like Oakland and Atlanta have superb pitching?

      The dynasty will return


      Paul Pierce... talent + heart + toughness = The Truth

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      • BTB
        Th*s **n't s** w*rld
        • Mar 2003
        • 3520

        #123
        Re: Red Sox are a joke

        Coaches dont make a difference? Then why is that year in and year out, teams like Oakland and Atlanta have superb pitching?

        The dynasty will return


        Paul Pierce... talent + heart + toughness = The Truth

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        • BTB
          Th*s **n't s** w*rld
          • Mar 2003
          • 3520

          #124
          Re: Red Sox are a joke

          Coaches dont make a difference? Then why is that year in and year out, teams like Oakland and Atlanta have superb pitching?

          The dynasty will return


          Paul Pierce... talent + heart + toughness = The Truth

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          • wheels2121
            Pro
            • Nov 2002
            • 672

            #125
            Re: Red Sox are a joke

            oakland because they have hudson, mulder and zito, and the braves because of 12 years of maddux, glavine, smoltz, etc.

            Look at how many prospects the braves loved didn't work out. If it were just mazzone, they wouldn't have as many flops. Oakland can't make anything out of lilly.
            It's about scouting, drafting, and signing fa's, not pitching coaches.

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            • wheels2121
              Pro
              • Nov 2002
              • 672

              #126
              Re: Red Sox are a joke

              oakland because they have hudson, mulder and zito, and the braves because of 12 years of maddux, glavine, smoltz, etc.

              Look at how many prospects the braves loved didn't work out. If it were just mazzone, they wouldn't have as many flops. Oakland can't make anything out of lilly.
              It's about scouting, drafting, and signing fa's, not pitching coaches.

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              • wheels2121
                Pro
                • Nov 2002
                • 672

                #127
                Re: Red Sox are a joke

                oakland because they have hudson, mulder and zito, and the braves because of 12 years of maddux, glavine, smoltz, etc.

                Look at how many prospects the braves loved didn't work out. If it were just mazzone, they wouldn't have as many flops. Oakland can't make anything out of lilly.
                It's about scouting, drafting, and signing fa's, not pitching coaches.

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                • GCrusher23
                  MVP
                  • Dec 2002
                  • 1170

                  #128
                  Re: Red Sox are a joke

                  I have to disagree about Atlanta having success because of 12 years with Glavine, Maddux, and Smoltz. Look at what they've done with Russ Ortiz and Mike Hampton. While Ortiz and Hampton were decent before, the Braves have turned them into solid #1 and #2 starters again.

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                  • GCrusher23
                    MVP
                    • Dec 2002
                    • 1170

                    #129
                    Re: Red Sox are a joke

                    I have to disagree about Atlanta having success because of 12 years with Glavine, Maddux, and Smoltz. Look at what they've done with Russ Ortiz and Mike Hampton. While Ortiz and Hampton were decent before, the Braves have turned them into solid #1 and #2 starters again.

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                    • GCrusher23
                      MVP
                      • Dec 2002
                      • 1170

                      #130
                      Re: Red Sox are a joke

                      I have to disagree about Atlanta having success because of 12 years with Glavine, Maddux, and Smoltz. Look at what they've done with Russ Ortiz and Mike Hampton. While Ortiz and Hampton were decent before, the Braves have turned them into solid #1 and #2 starters again.

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                      • wheels2121
                        Pro
                        • Nov 2002
                        • 672

                        #131
                        Re: Red Sox are a joke

                        Hampton just needed to get back in a winning environment and out of Coors. Ortiz they helped, I'll give ya. I'm not saying Mazzone isn't a good coach, but he's not the reason for all their success. If he had the sox staff to work with, he'd be as unknown as most other pitching coaches are.

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                        • wheels2121
                          Pro
                          • Nov 2002
                          • 672

                          #132
                          Re: Red Sox are a joke

                          Hampton just needed to get back in a winning environment and out of Coors. Ortiz they helped, I'll give ya. I'm not saying Mazzone isn't a good coach, but he's not the reason for all their success. If he had the sox staff to work with, he'd be as unknown as most other pitching coaches are.

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                          • wheels2121
                            Pro
                            • Nov 2002
                            • 672

                            #133
                            Re: Red Sox are a joke

                            Hampton just needed to get back in a winning environment and out of Coors. Ortiz they helped, I'll give ya. I'm not saying Mazzone isn't a good coach, but he's not the reason for all their success. If he had the sox staff to work with, he'd be as unknown as most other pitching coaches are.

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                            • BTB
                              Th*s **n't s** w*rld
                              • Mar 2003
                              • 3520

                              #134
                              Re: Red Sox are a joke

                              Um really? Burkett was a lot better in Atlanta then in Boston. Hmm....

                              The dynasty will return


                              Paul Pierce... talent + heart + toughness = The Truth

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                              • BTB
                                Th*s **n't s** w*rld
                                • Mar 2003
                                • 3520

                                #135
                                Re: Red Sox are a joke

                                Um really? Burkett was a lot better in Atlanta then in Boston. Hmm....

                                The dynasty will return


                                Paul Pierce... talent + heart + toughness = The Truth

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