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  • rsox
    All Star
    • Feb 2003
    • 6309

    #1

    Player Loyalty

    In todays paper i read comments made by the NBA'S Reggie Miller about sticking it out with one team for his whole career (Pacers) and saying he would not "sell out" to chase a ring, basically these were shots taken at Karl Malone for leaving Utah and signing with the Lakers,
    this holds true in all sports especially baseball,
    where this season we have one teams all time win's leader (Glavine, Braves) and two teams all time HR leaders (Karros/Thome, Dodgers/Indians) playing with new teams after playing with there original teams for more then a decade each, is there a such thing as player loyalty to there team? after all Thome left Cleveland for the big bucks after saying he wanted to finish his career with the Indians, do players want to spend there whole careers with one team? right now, the only players who may retire with there original team's are...
    Edgar Martinez in Seattle
    Barry Larkin in Cincinnati
    Jeff Bagwell and Craig Biggio in Houston, Bagwell said he would retire after his contract is over at the end of 2006,
    in the current state of pro sports contracts they might be last of the players getting there numbers retired with one team,
    should we look down on the players who leave in search of a championship, or just except that nothing last's forever.
  • Vince
    Bow for Bau
    • Aug 2002
    • 26017

    #2
    Re: Player Loyalty

    Who wouldn't leave cleveland???They are in MAJOR rebuilding mode...
    @ me or dap me

    http://twitter.com/52isthemike

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    • Vince
      Bow for Bau
      • Aug 2002
      • 26017

      #3
      Re: Player Loyalty

      Who wouldn't leave cleveland???They are in MAJOR rebuilding mode...
      @ me or dap me

      http://twitter.com/52isthemike

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      • Vince
        Bow for Bau
        • Aug 2002
        • 26017

        #4
        Re: Player Loyalty

        Who wouldn't leave cleveland???They are in MAJOR rebuilding mode...
        @ me or dap me

        http://twitter.com/52isthemike

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        • wheels2121
          Pro
          • Nov 2002
          • 672

          #5
          Re: Player Loyalty

          when they do stay, they get killed. Raffy wanted to stay in Texas, and they killed him for not joining a team he hated just to be in the playoffs.
          The players can't worry about it anymore, since they know that the teams would replace them in a heartbeat if they had someone better. There's no loyalty to the player, why should he have loyalty to the team?

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          • wheels2121
            Pro
            • Nov 2002
            • 672

            #6
            Re: Player Loyalty

            when they do stay, they get killed. Raffy wanted to stay in Texas, and they killed him for not joining a team he hated just to be in the playoffs.
            The players can't worry about it anymore, since they know that the teams would replace them in a heartbeat if they had someone better. There's no loyalty to the player, why should he have loyalty to the team?

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            • wheels2121
              Pro
              • Nov 2002
              • 672

              #7
              Re: Player Loyalty

              when they do stay, they get killed. Raffy wanted to stay in Texas, and they killed him for not joining a team he hated just to be in the playoffs.
              The players can't worry about it anymore, since they know that the teams would replace them in a heartbeat if they had someone better. There's no loyalty to the player, why should he have loyalty to the team?

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              • pol
                All Star
                • Nov 2002
                • 2424

                #8
                Re: Player Loyalty

                </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                rsox said:
                In todays paper i read comments made by the NBA'S Reggie Miller about sticking it out with one team for his whole career (Pacers) and saying he would not "sell out" to chase a ring, basically these were shots taken at Karl Malone for leaving Utah and signing with the Lakers,
                this holds true in all sports especially baseball,
                where this season we have one teams all time win's leader (Glavine, Braves) and two teams all time HR leaders (Karros/Thome, Dodgers/Indians) playing with new teams after playing with there original teams for more then a decade each, is there a such thing as player loyalty to there team? after all Thome left Cleveland for the big bucks after saying he wanted to finish his career with the Indians, do players want to spend there whole careers with one team? right now, the only players who may retire with there original team's are...
                Edgar Martinez in Seattle
                Barry Larkin in Cincinnati
                Jeff Bagwell and Craig Biggio in Houston, Bagwell said he would retire after his contract is over at the end of 2006,
                in the current state of pro sports contracts they might be last of the players getting there numbers retired with one team,
                should we look down on the players who leave in search of a championship, or just except that nothing last's forever.


                <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                karros was traded

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                • pol
                  All Star
                  • Nov 2002
                  • 2424

                  #9
                  Re: Player Loyalty

                  </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                  rsox said:
                  In todays paper i read comments made by the NBA'S Reggie Miller about sticking it out with one team for his whole career (Pacers) and saying he would not "sell out" to chase a ring, basically these were shots taken at Karl Malone for leaving Utah and signing with the Lakers,
                  this holds true in all sports especially baseball,
                  where this season we have one teams all time win's leader (Glavine, Braves) and two teams all time HR leaders (Karros/Thome, Dodgers/Indians) playing with new teams after playing with there original teams for more then a decade each, is there a such thing as player loyalty to there team? after all Thome left Cleveland for the big bucks after saying he wanted to finish his career with the Indians, do players want to spend there whole careers with one team? right now, the only players who may retire with there original team's are...
                  Edgar Martinez in Seattle
                  Barry Larkin in Cincinnati
                  Jeff Bagwell and Craig Biggio in Houston, Bagwell said he would retire after his contract is over at the end of 2006,
                  in the current state of pro sports contracts they might be last of the players getting there numbers retired with one team,
                  should we look down on the players who leave in search of a championship, or just except that nothing last's forever.


                  <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                  karros was traded

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                  • pol
                    All Star
                    • Nov 2002
                    • 2424

                    #10
                    Re: Player Loyalty

                    </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                    rsox said:
                    In todays paper i read comments made by the NBA'S Reggie Miller about sticking it out with one team for his whole career (Pacers) and saying he would not "sell out" to chase a ring, basically these were shots taken at Karl Malone for leaving Utah and signing with the Lakers,
                    this holds true in all sports especially baseball,
                    where this season we have one teams all time win's leader (Glavine, Braves) and two teams all time HR leaders (Karros/Thome, Dodgers/Indians) playing with new teams after playing with there original teams for more then a decade each, is there a such thing as player loyalty to there team? after all Thome left Cleveland for the big bucks after saying he wanted to finish his career with the Indians, do players want to spend there whole careers with one team? right now, the only players who may retire with there original team's are...
                    Edgar Martinez in Seattle
                    Barry Larkin in Cincinnati
                    Jeff Bagwell and Craig Biggio in Houston, Bagwell said he would retire after his contract is over at the end of 2006,
                    in the current state of pro sports contracts they might be last of the players getting there numbers retired with one team,
                    should we look down on the players who leave in search of a championship, or just except that nothing last's forever.


                    <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                    karros was traded

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                    • soltrain
                      The Batman
                      • Feb 2003
                      • 6863

                      #11
                      Re: Player Loyalty

                      Frank will finish his career with the Sox...
                      Michigan Wolverines
                      Chicago White Sox

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                      • soltrain
                        The Batman
                        • Feb 2003
                        • 6863

                        #12
                        Re: Player Loyalty

                        Frank will finish his career with the Sox...
                        Michigan Wolverines
                        Chicago White Sox

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                        • soltrain
                          The Batman
                          • Feb 2003
                          • 6863

                          #13
                          Re: Player Loyalty

                          Frank will finish his career with the Sox...
                          Michigan Wolverines
                          Chicago White Sox

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                          • SPTO
                            binging
                            • Feb 2003
                            • 68046

                            #14
                            Re: Player Loyalty

                            Most players today don't have loyalty to the team they started out but then again management has never been super loyal to the players. The only organizations I can think of that have been loyal to employees are the Dodgers and Blue Jays. (maybe Yankees but that's more to do with having the money to keep their stars)

                            BTW Glavine left because he wanted a big contract when he saw that Maddux got a nice contract he was hurt. He then quickly signed with the Mets but there were reports afterwards that Atlanta was going to offer Glavine a fair contract. Glavine probably doesn't like pitching in NY either so....I think he's loyal just he made an emotional choice.

                            I can think of 2 players from the Jays that were loyal to the club. One kinda went from team to team but he always came back to his roots. That was Tony Fernandez. He had 3 tours of duties with the Jays and ended his career in a Jays uniform. The interesting thing is, he never played up to his potential with the other teams he played for.

                            The other guy was traded after having lots of arm problems and eventually retired the season after the trade. That guy was Dave Stieb. A few years ago he expressed interest in finishing his career and putting closure to it. He chose the Blue Jays to finish out his career.

                            So there's some loyalty but you don't see it often. I think that if a player were to leave his first team and then come back at the end of his career then it would be loyalty.
                            Member of the Official OS Bills Backers Club

                            "Baseball is the most important thing that doesn't matter at all" - Robert B. Parker

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                            • SPTO
                              binging
                              • Feb 2003
                              • 68046

                              #15
                              Re: Player Loyalty

                              Most players today don't have loyalty to the team they started out but then again management has never been super loyal to the players. The only organizations I can think of that have been loyal to employees are the Dodgers and Blue Jays. (maybe Yankees but that's more to do with having the money to keep their stars)

                              BTW Glavine left because he wanted a big contract when he saw that Maddux got a nice contract he was hurt. He then quickly signed with the Mets but there were reports afterwards that Atlanta was going to offer Glavine a fair contract. Glavine probably doesn't like pitching in NY either so....I think he's loyal just he made an emotional choice.

                              I can think of 2 players from the Jays that were loyal to the club. One kinda went from team to team but he always came back to his roots. That was Tony Fernandez. He had 3 tours of duties with the Jays and ended his career in a Jays uniform. The interesting thing is, he never played up to his potential with the other teams he played for.

                              The other guy was traded after having lots of arm problems and eventually retired the season after the trade. That guy was Dave Stieb. A few years ago he expressed interest in finishing his career and putting closure to it. He chose the Blue Jays to finish out his career.

                              So there's some loyalty but you don't see it often. I think that if a player were to leave his first team and then come back at the end of his career then it would be loyalty.
                              Member of the Official OS Bills Backers Club

                              "Baseball is the most important thing that doesn't matter at all" - Robert B. Parker

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