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  • Vince
    Bow for Bau
    • Aug 2002
    • 26017

    #1

    Joe Morgan Chat

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    Francisco Vicens, Santo Domingo, Dominican Republic: You stated that wins are most important for determining the Cy Young, yet the only statistic which depends completely on the Pitcher's performance is his ERA, whereas wins depend also on the teams' performance (run support, defensive support, relief pitching, etc.). How could wins serve as the most important statistic over ERA or opposition batting average if the Cy Young is for the best individual performance for a pitcher, not which good pitcher had good luck and a good team to back him up ?

    Joe Morgan: Everything you have said depends on the team. ERA also depends on errors and how good the team plays. If the team makes mental mistakes, the pitcher still pays for it. The game is still wins and losses. The Pirates led the league in ERA in 1989 or around there. The finished last. I guarantee you those pitchers would have rather had wins. You don't send a pitcher out to the mound and say "get a good ERA." You want him to win games. A good ERA might come with wins, but the wins and losses are the most important. If you had a guy with a .001 ERA but never won a game and another guy had a 3.5 ERA and won 25 games, who would you give the award to? Wins and losses is the column that matters most.

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    IMO,I think he's way off.Wins are overrated...Just look at Chris George..Had an ERA of about 9 but had a record of 9-5 at one time and was on pace for 20 wins.
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  • MSUSPartanPride
    MVP
    • Jul 2002
    • 1878

    #2
    Re: Joe Morgan Chat

    That doesn't live up to his statement he made a year ago about all the teams walking Barry that went something like this:

    "Baseball is not all about winning, its about having fun, and walking Bonds is not fun."

    Yet teams spend $140 Million every year to win.

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    • MSUSPartanPride
      MVP
      • Jul 2002
      • 1878

      #3
      Re: Joe Morgan Chat

      That doesn't live up to his statement he made a year ago about all the teams walking Barry that went something like this:

      "Baseball is not all about winning, its about having fun, and walking Bonds is not fun."

      Yet teams spend $140 Million every year to win.

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      • MSUSPartanPride
        MVP
        • Jul 2002
        • 1878

        #4
        Re: Joe Morgan Chat

        That doesn't live up to his statement he made a year ago about all the teams walking Barry that went something like this:

        "Baseball is not all about winning, its about having fun, and walking Bonds is not fun."

        Yet teams spend $140 Million every year to win.

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        • SPTO
          binging
          • Feb 2003
          • 68046

          #5
          Re: Joe Morgan Chat

          I think Morgan has a point here to some extent. Look it's always nice to have a good ERA but sometimes you can have a great ERA and be snakebitten. As Morgan said i'd rather have a crappy ERA and have tons of wins then have a great ERA and marginal success.

          For an illustration of wins being almost as important, if not even more important then ERA just look at these stats:

          Wins: 254
          Losses: 186
          ERA: .390
          Ks: 2478
          BBs: 1390

          3 20 win seasons
          considered best pitcher of the 80s
          Ace of 3 wS championship teams
          Winner of one Game 7

          Who is this guy? Jack Morris.

          The thing that is holding him back from being a sure fire HOF'er is the fact that he had such a high career ERA and didn't achieve 300 wins. This to me is a sad thing and so I think Morgan is right. ERA is important but it's not the be all and end all of what constitutes a Cy Young winner.

          BTW: Morris should've won the Cy Young in '92.
          Member of the Official OS Bills Backers Club

          "Baseball is the most important thing that doesn't matter at all" - Robert B. Parker

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          • SPTO
            binging
            • Feb 2003
            • 68046

            #6
            Re: Joe Morgan Chat

            I think Morgan has a point here to some extent. Look it's always nice to have a good ERA but sometimes you can have a great ERA and be snakebitten. As Morgan said i'd rather have a crappy ERA and have tons of wins then have a great ERA and marginal success.

            For an illustration of wins being almost as important, if not even more important then ERA just look at these stats:

            Wins: 254
            Losses: 186
            ERA: .390
            Ks: 2478
            BBs: 1390

            3 20 win seasons
            considered best pitcher of the 80s
            Ace of 3 wS championship teams
            Winner of one Game 7

            Who is this guy? Jack Morris.

            The thing that is holding him back from being a sure fire HOF'er is the fact that he had such a high career ERA and didn't achieve 300 wins. This to me is a sad thing and so I think Morgan is right. ERA is important but it's not the be all and end all of what constitutes a Cy Young winner.

            BTW: Morris should've won the Cy Young in '92.
            Member of the Official OS Bills Backers Club

            "Baseball is the most important thing that doesn't matter at all" - Robert B. Parker

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            • SPTO
              binging
              • Feb 2003
              • 68046

              #7
              Re: Joe Morgan Chat

              I think Morgan has a point here to some extent. Look it's always nice to have a good ERA but sometimes you can have a great ERA and be snakebitten. As Morgan said i'd rather have a crappy ERA and have tons of wins then have a great ERA and marginal success.

              For an illustration of wins being almost as important, if not even more important then ERA just look at these stats:

              Wins: 254
              Losses: 186
              ERA: .390
              Ks: 2478
              BBs: 1390

              3 20 win seasons
              considered best pitcher of the 80s
              Ace of 3 wS championship teams
              Winner of one Game 7

              Who is this guy? Jack Morris.

              The thing that is holding him back from being a sure fire HOF'er is the fact that he had such a high career ERA and didn't achieve 300 wins. This to me is a sad thing and so I think Morgan is right. ERA is important but it's not the be all and end all of what constitutes a Cy Young winner.

              BTW: Morris should've won the Cy Young in '92.
              Member of the Official OS Bills Backers Club

              "Baseball is the most important thing that doesn't matter at all" - Robert B. Parker

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              • Vince
                Bow for Bau
                • Aug 2002
                • 26017

                #8
                Re: Joe Morgan Chat

                I think you need to be 50/50 have a good ERA,but still have a good amount of wins...

                I remember reading once the nolan Ryan led the league in ERA,but went on to lose 20 games...I'm a big believer that you can give it to a guy based solely on ERA,but when you lose 20 games that is a little stretching it...
                I just think you need balance..An ERA under 3.20 and at least 15 wins...But i'll put alot more emphasis on ERA than other peeps would.
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                • Vince
                  Bow for Bau
                  • Aug 2002
                  • 26017

                  #9
                  Re: Joe Morgan Chat

                  I think you need to be 50/50 have a good ERA,but still have a good amount of wins...

                  I remember reading once the nolan Ryan led the league in ERA,but went on to lose 20 games...I'm a big believer that you can give it to a guy based solely on ERA,but when you lose 20 games that is a little stretching it...
                  I just think you need balance..An ERA under 3.20 and at least 15 wins...But i'll put alot more emphasis on ERA than other peeps would.
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                  http://twitter.com/52isthemike

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                  • Vince
                    Bow for Bau
                    • Aug 2002
                    • 26017

                    #10
                    Re: Joe Morgan Chat

                    I think you need to be 50/50 have a good ERA,but still have a good amount of wins...

                    I remember reading once the nolan Ryan led the league in ERA,but went on to lose 20 games...I'm a big believer that you can give it to a guy based solely on ERA,but when you lose 20 games that is a little stretching it...
                    I just think you need balance..An ERA under 3.20 and at least 15 wins...But i'll put alot more emphasis on ERA than other peeps would.
                    @ me or dap me

                    http://twitter.com/52isthemike

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