It was fair

[cookusu]

Re: It was fair

Probably my bias as a cubs fan but the call against the Cubs was tougher, because it would have tied the game for sure and possibly put them in the lead. The Pujols one didn't have the same dramatic effect, it might have been the technically correct call but I have never seen it called on a play like that.

[soltrain]

Re: It was fair

How did it not have the same dramatic effect? Instead of no one on and an extra out the Cubs have a guy on second base!

[soltrain]

Re: It was fair

How did it not have the same dramatic effect? Instead of no one on and an extra out the Cubs have a guy on second base!

[soltrain]

Re: It was fair

How did it not have the same dramatic effect? Instead of no one on and an extra out the Cubs have a guy on second base!

[triplej96]

Re: It was fair

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soltrain said:
How did it not have the same dramatic effect? Instead of no one on and an extra out the Cubs have a guy on second base!

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[triplej96]

Re: It was fair

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How did it not have the same dramatic effect? Instead of no one on and an extra out the Cubs have a guy on second base!

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[triplej96]

Re: It was fair

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soltrain said:
How did it not have the same dramatic effect? Instead of no one on and an extra out the Cubs have a guy on second base!

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[cookusu]

Re: It was fair

OK let me explain. Pretend when Pujols dropped the ball that 3 runs would have scored, that would have been more dramatic than him dropping the ball and the hitter getting to second. Can we agree that 3 runs scoring because of a bad call are more dramatic than a guy reaching second safely?

Even Simontachi admitted he should have pitched through the bad call, the bad call against the Cubs stopped at least 2 runs from scoring possibly 3, at that exact moment. The bad call against the Cards could have gone by without notice if no one had scored, stuff like that happens everyday and only becomes an issue when it leads to a run in a close game.

The call against the Cubs happens as well, but because it was obvious that runs would have scored there and then had the call been made correctly, it is way more dramatic.

I accept that bad calls happen all the time and the Cubs just need to move on, but you can't pretend the calls had the same effect on the game.

[cookusu]

Re: It was fair

OK let me explain. Pretend when Pujols dropped the ball that 3 runs would have scored, that would have been more dramatic than him dropping the ball and the hitter getting to second. Can we agree that 3 runs scoring because of a bad call are more dramatic than a guy reaching second safely?

Even Simontachi admitted he should have pitched through the bad call, the bad call against the Cubs stopped at least 2 runs from scoring possibly 3, at that exact moment. The bad call against the Cards could have gone by without notice if no one had scored, stuff like that happens everyday and only becomes an issue when it leads to a run in a close game.

The call against the Cubs happens as well, but because it was obvious that runs would have scored there and then had the call been made correctly, it is way more dramatic.

I accept that bad calls happen all the time and the Cubs just need to move on, but you can't pretend the calls had the same effect on the game.

[cookusu]

Re: It was fair

OK let me explain. Pretend when Pujols dropped the ball that 3 runs would have scored, that would have been more dramatic than him dropping the ball and the hitter getting to second. Can we agree that 3 runs scoring because of a bad call are more dramatic than a guy reaching second safely?

Even Simontachi admitted he should have pitched through the bad call, the bad call against the Cubs stopped at least 2 runs from scoring possibly 3, at that exact moment. The bad call against the Cards could have gone by without notice if no one had scored, stuff like that happens everyday and only becomes an issue when it leads to a run in a close game.

The call against the Cubs happens as well, but because it was obvious that runs would have scored there and then had the call been made correctly, it is way more dramatic.

I accept that bad calls happen all the time and the Cubs just need to move on, but you can't pretend the calls had the same effect on the game.

[soltrain]

Re: It was fair

But the Cards bad call lead to that guy scoring..and more people scoring..therefore tying the game..

[soltrain]

Re: It was fair

But the Cards bad call lead to that guy scoring..and more people scoring..therefore tying the game..

[soltrain]

Re: It was fair

But the Cards bad call lead to that guy scoring..and more people scoring..therefore tying the game..

[cookusu]

Re: It was fair

Aramis Ramirez:
Ramirez safe at first on left fielder Pujols' fielding error, Ramirez to second.

Troy O'Leary:
Strike looking, O'Leary flied out to left.

Eric Karros:
Strike swinging, Foul, Ball, Karros struck out swinging.

Alex S. Gonzalez:
Ball, Ball, Strike looking, Gonzalez doubled to deep left center, Ramirez scored.

Damian Miller:
Ball, Strike looking, Miller doubled to left, Gonzalez scored.

Carlos Zambrano:
Ball, Zambrano reached on an infield single, Miller to third.

Tom Goodwin:
Ball, Ball, Ball, Goodwin walked, Zambrano to second.

Tony Womack:
Strike looking, Womack reached on fielder's choice to shortstop, Goodwin out at second.

End of Inning (2 Runs, 3 Hits, 1 Error)

Look the next two guys whiffed, then Gonzales doubled, I am not disputing the call was goofy with no one on base, since he didn't have to make a throw, the transfer of the ball to his hand is usually not considered a big deal.

My point is that Alou's hit would have scored 2 or 3 runs nothing else would have had to happen, the Cubs still might have lost, but it was easily more dramatic, just look at the reaction from the teams and the announcers. Pujols play in retrospect was costly but it could have been nothing, so it simply isn't as dramatic, take you Sox cap off for a moment and look at this objectively.

[cookusu]

Re: It was fair

Aramis Ramirez:
Ramirez safe at first on left fielder Pujols' fielding error, Ramirez to second.

Troy O'Leary:
Strike looking, O'Leary flied out to left.

Eric Karros:
Strike swinging, Foul, Ball, Karros struck out swinging.

Alex S. Gonzalez:
Ball, Ball, Strike looking, Gonzalez doubled to deep left center, Ramirez scored.

Damian Miller:
Ball, Strike looking, Miller doubled to left, Gonzalez scored.

Carlos Zambrano:
Ball, Zambrano reached on an infield single, Miller to third.

Tom Goodwin:
Ball, Ball, Ball, Goodwin walked, Zambrano to second.

Tony Womack:
Strike looking, Womack reached on fielder's choice to shortstop, Goodwin out at second.

End of Inning (2 Runs, 3 Hits, 1 Error)

Look the next two guys whiffed, then Gonzales doubled, I am not disputing the call was goofy with no one on base, since he didn't have to make a throw, the transfer of the ball to his hand is usually not considered a big deal.

My point is that Alou's hit would have scored 2 or 3 runs nothing else would have had to happen, the Cubs still might have lost, but it was easily more dramatic, just look at the reaction from the teams and the announcers. Pujols play in retrospect was costly but it could have been nothing, so it simply isn't as dramatic, take you Sox cap off for a moment and look at this objectively.