J.Verlander for AL Cy Young? Would you conisider him a shoo-in?
Biased sports fan here obviously (My OS Card with Tate Forcier avatar, Detroit skyline background and OHIO "Worst State Ever" shirt may give it away) but I have to say JV is killing everyone who steps in front of him? Just wondering what your guys' thoughts and opinions were on JV and some of the Tigers/Other surprising all stars this year? And before everyone goes crazy lol I know AL Central is weak...
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Re: J.Verlander for AL Cy Young? Would you conisider him a shoo-in?
Not even close to being a shoo-in. Jered Weaver is having a similar type of year as Verlander. -
Re: J.Verlander for AL Cy Young? Would you conisider him a shoo-in?
You got Jered Weaver, Josh Beckett, and CC Sabathia still in the running so no.1905 1921 1922 1933 1954 2010 2012
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Re: J.Verlander for AL Cy Young? Would you conisider him a shoo-in?
The question is will they finish, Weaver from what I see falls off in the second half, I think CC is a tad overrated and hes older now, Beckett in my opinion has the best shot to beat him... But lets be real, are we really trying to say you would have any of those guys over JV? Does that make any sense? Its like saying you'd trade an every year star for a guys one good season... I was also curious on everyones opinion some other surprising all stars, like Avila, Granderson back in his prime, etc...-“If I make a mistake, I’m going to make a mistake aggressively and I’m going to make it quickly. I don’t believe in sleeping on a decision.” -“I am going to treat you all the same. Like Dogs.” - Bo SchembechlerComment
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Re: J.Verlander for AL Cy Young? Would you conisider him a shoo-in?
CC overrated? 14 wins, 138 K's ,153 IP, 2.64 ERA and he's only 3 years older than Verlander. I don't see how that's overrated. Weaver all ready fell off for a little bit this year and he's still 12 and 4 with the lowest ERA in baseball. Verlander isn't on his own level there are guys who are just as good that are having just as good seasons.1905 1921 1922 1933 1954 2010 2012
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Re: J.Verlander for AL Cy Young? Would you conisider him a shoo-in?
Not just a fav... Look at my dudes IP! Hes pitched so many 8+ inning games! Its about reliability, durability and consistency... He has all that, I know we all can agree. 200 more IP than P1!!! Really, arm should be jello, but hes getting stronger!-“If I make a mistake, I’m going to make a mistake aggressively and I’m going to make it quickly. I don’t believe in sleeping on a decision.” -“I am going to treat you all the same. Like Dogs.” - Bo SchembechlerComment
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Re: J.Verlander for AL Cy Young? Would you conisider him a shoo-in?
If anything Beckett has the worst chance of the names mentioned here. He's already well behind in innings pitched and there's a TON of regression coming in his numbers, much more than any of the others.
You asked if Verlander was a "shoo-in," the obvious answer is "no."
Oh, and for the "how will they finish" question, there isn't much difference between Verlander and Weaver when it comes to 1st half / 2nd half performance. If anything, it's Sabathia with the track record of finishing strong.
1st/2nd half OPS allowed in career
.634/.713 - Verlander
.628/.726 - Weaver
.677/.672 - SabathiaLast edited by snepp; 07-19-2011, 01:33 PM.Member of The OS Baseball Rocket Scientists AssociationComment
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Re: J.Verlander for AL Cy Young? Would you conisider him a shoo-in?
Is this a real question in July? No one can be considered a shoe in until September..."People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." - Rogers HornsbyComment
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"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." - Rogers HornsbyComment
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Re: J.Verlander for AL Cy Young? Would you conisider him a shoo-in?
Verlander's got a slight edge in WHIP, big lead in innings and strikeouts. He's thrown nearly 50 more innings than Beckett.
But he is pitching for a first club, and what really stands out is his 4.65 K/BB ratio. Dominant.
He's the only reason the Tigers are in first place, his ERA is 2.29 and the rest of the team has an ERA over 5. He's keeping them alive.
At the end of the season, he should have around 250 innings, 250 strikeouts, 20 wins, and an ERA in the low 2's. And his WHIP has been hovering around .88 for a while now. Those numbers and a first place club (or barely 2nd place) stands out. You can make a great case for all them, but I'm not sure Weaver or especially Beckett are clear favorites over him. And plus the media has been loving him this year ever since his no hitter. He's got a lot going for him right now.
CC...I don't think he stands a chance. He gets a lot of wins, and a nice hot streak has brought that ERA down to 2.64, but he's been around 3.30 for years now and I think his ERA will go back to that territory. He's always in the conversation but that it. And if the season ended today, absolutely no way he would win over Weaver, Verlander, or even Beckett.
Verlander has a big lead in strikeouts on CC, huge lead in WHIP, better ERA+, and BAA is almost .50 points lower than Sabathia, if I read that right. I don't think CC has been anywhere near as good.
But we still have a lot of baseball left. I think it's between Verlander and Weaver. I can't speak on Weaver and the Angels and speculate on his second half, but I know Verlander is not going to let up. He's always pitched strong in the second half and is a bonafide big game pitcher. He's gonna have a lot of games like that down the stretch and I expect him to make the most of it. Should be an exciting race.Last edited by CabreraMVP; 07-19-2011, 11:35 PM.JayElectronicaBluElzhi2PacTheNotoriousB.I.G.ReksSc arfaceFashawnJeruThaDamajaComment
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