Who's get the worst contract?

[authentic]

Re: Who's get the worst contract?

Tony Gwynn was somewhat overrated during his career. Still a deserving HoF'er, though.

do you know what baseball is?

[DrJones]

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do you know what baseball is?

Sure do. Been watching it for over 30 years. Been my job for most of the last 12 years.

[CabreraMVP]

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So Cabrera, was Tony Gwynn overrated for his career? Constant well over .300 hitter, limited power, lots of doubles and posted a career OPS of .847.
Mauer also provides more value that is "unseen" in terms of playing a catcher, as in calling pitches and handling the pitching staff. How much value can you put on that?

Well first off all Mauer is hardly a catcher anymore, he just went a month without playing there. And his pitchers are complaining that he is too tall so they can't get low strikes.

I don't get the Gywnn comparison? Would you have paid Tony Gywnn 180 million dollars to do what he did?

He was an amazing contact hitter, one of the best ever, that's why he almost hit .400 one season. He only posted an .800+ OPS 13 of 20 seasons.

Gywnn and Mauer are great players, but do you want to pay them 20+ million season? The same amount of money as elite hitters who both hit for average AND power? Why would you?

The only way Gywnn is overrated is if you think he would be worth 20 million dollars today.

[jth1331]

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Well first off all Mauer is hardly a catcher anymore, he just went a month without playing there. And his pitchers are complaining that he is too tall so they can't get low strikes.

I don't get the Gywnn comparison? Would you have paid Tony Gywnn 180 million dollars to do what he did?

He was an amazing contact hitter, one of the best ever, that's why he almost hit .400 one season. He only posted an .800+ OPS 13 of 20 seasons.

Gywnn and Mauer are great players, but do you want to pay them 20+ million season? The same amount of money as elite hitters who both hit for average AND power? Why would you?

The only way Gywnn is overrated is if you think he would be worth 20 million dollars today.

Then what would you deem Gwynn "worth"?

[CabreraMVP]

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Well if I am a GM, and player A is hitting .330, with 35 homers, 1.000 OPS and making 23 million

I would give Gywnn maybe 10 million to hit around .350 to post an OPS in the low .800's

[snepp]

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OPS undervalues players that are OBP-heavy, and Gwynn had a career .850 OPS, so it's a stretch to call him a "low .800's" hitter.

Gwynn was roughly a 4 win player throughout his career, that's worth considerably more than $10 million per year.

[CabreraMVP]

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Maybe so, but personally I wouldn't be anywhere near 20 million a guy that won't really anchor my offense.

The whole thing started with the Gonzalez/Cabrera and 23 million and Mauer and 23 million. I don't believe he's worth anywhere near that much, if Gonzalez and Cabrera are.

If I were going to pay a guy superstar money, I would spend it on a guy who can hit homeruns, hit the gaps, be a complete threat at the plate. RBI Single's are great, but so are 3 run homeruns. So I will pay the biggest money that is a threat to do both of those things.

Not that I don't love players like Gwynn, I'm one of them myself lol. But I'm not going to pay a contact hitter superstar money. Not that they don't play a huge role, they do, but I just wouldn't pay him anywhere near 20 million.

[Chip Douglass]

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do you know what baseball is?

Yes, and batting average is not a good evaluative tool.

If you account for his lack of walks/power and his position, he wasn't as remarkable as the 8 batting titles indicate he was.

[sawxdawg]

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As long as Crawford is "hitting" like he is, he doesn't have any business at the top of a lineup.

Yes I get that, but he won't get out of his slump until he gets back up there again.

[EnigmaNemesis]

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Yes I get that, but he won't get out of his slump until he gets back up there again.

He is no longer in a slump.

He started off shaky, he was hurt, etc.

He is doing fine now. He has settled in.

[jth1331]

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Yes, and batting average is not a good evaluative tool.

If you account for his lack of walks/power and his position, he wasn't as remarkable as the 8 batting titles indicate he was.

This is idiocy. He was consistently hitting well over .300 every single year, hardly ever striking out, and posting an OBP for his career at .388. No, he didn't have a lot of power, but he was certainly one of the toughest outs in baseball and a remarkable player.

[DrJones]

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This is idiocy. He was consistently hitting well over .300 every single year, hardly ever striking out, and posting an OBP for his career at .388. No, he didn't have a lot of power, but he was certainly one of the toughest outs in baseball and a remarkable player.

Right. And he was adored by the media to the extent that they would openly wonder whether Gwynn or Ted Williams was the better hitter. Gwynn received a higher HoF vote percentage than all but 4 position players in MLB history, including the recently-elected Rickey Henderson and Mike Schmidt. That's what I mean by "somewhat overrated."

[Chip Douglass]

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Right. And he was adored by the media to the extent that they would openly wonder whether Gwynn or Ted Williams was the better hitter. Gwynn received a higher HoF vote percentage than all but 4 position players in MLB history, including the recently-elected Rickey Henderson and Mike Schmidt. That's what I mean by "somewhat overrated."

Precisely.

I've heard way, way too many people talk about how great of a hitter he was because of his batting average, irrespective of his lack of power and his run-producing position. He's similar to Ichiro in that regard.

[EnigmaNemesis]

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Right. And he was adored by the media to the extent that they would openly wonder whether Gwynn or Ted Williams was the better hitter. Gwynn received a higher HoF vote percentage than all but 4 position players in MLB history, including the recently-elected Rickey Henderson and Mike Schmidt. That's what I mean by "somewhat overrated."

If people have to ask who the better hitter was between Williams or Gwynn, then they need to find a new career path. And should not be in sports media.

I am not being a homer, but the numbers are no where close across the board.

Gwynn was a likable nice guy. But come on man.

[DrJones]

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If people have to ask who the better hitter was between Williams or Gwynn, then they need to find a new career path. And should not be in sports media.

I am not being a homer, but the numbers are no where close across the board.

Gwynn was a likable nice guy. But come on man.

Even looking at slugging percentage was almost unheard of in the 80s and most of the 90s. Batting average was king.