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  • SPTO
    binging
    • Feb 2003
    • 68046

    #1

    Aaron Hill and John McDonald traded to D-Backs for Kelly Johnson

    AA strikes again!

    I really hate to see such a good guy in Johnny Mac and I truly believe Aaron Hill will flourish with new people surrounding him but this is a real good deal from the Jays perspective IMO.

    Johnson will probably be a stop-gap at 2B but if he turns out like other guys the Jays have traded for in recent years then he might have a jump in production himself.

    Again the Jays give themselves more payroll flexibility for the Free Agency period this winter.
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  • crayzman
    Rookie
    • Sep 2004
    • 403

    #2
    Re: Aaron Hill and John McDonald traded to D-Backs for Kelly Johnson

    Wooooooooooooooooooooooo!

    If the D-Backs aren't already, they're going to be happier with McDonald than Hill.

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    • rsox
      All Star
      • Feb 2003
      • 6309

      #3
      Re: Aaron Hill and John McDonald traded to D-Backs for Kelly Johnson

      Originally posted by crayzman
      Wooooooooooooooooooooooo!

      If the D-Backs aren't already, they're going to be happier with McDonald than Hill.
      I honestly wouldn't be surprised if the Jays made the D'backs take Hill as a throw-in in the deal.
      I can see McDonald going back to Toronto this winter as he did after being traded to the Tigers during the 2005 season. Hill has to have a monster stretch run or he is likely going to have to earn a job in spring training somewhere next season.

      The Jays are going to have a lot of money to play with next winter. If they can convince a couple of big name players to come to Toronto they could be a scary team next year.

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      • crayzman
        Rookie
        • Sep 2004
        • 403

        #4
        Re: Aaron Hill and John McDonald traded to D-Backs for Kelly Johnson

        They're all free agents after the season so maybe Hill was thrown in. AA apparently likes Johnson and could be using this as a tryout/take a cheap contract next year to prove yourself again.

        Hill was going nowhere but down here, his OBP has always been atrocious but maybe a change of scenery will help him get closer to his 2009 season. Johnny Mac will either retire after the season or return to the Jays, he's idolized in Toronto.

        This is pretty much either a pointless trade or one of the two teams wins it pretty big I think but from the Jays' perspective it's a no lose situation other than McDonald's glove for the rest of the season.

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        • SPTO
          binging
          • Feb 2003
          • 68046

          #5
          Re: Aaron Hill and John McDonald traded to D-Backs for Kelly Johnson

          Yep AA made it VERY clear that the door is open for Johnny Mac to come back either as a player or a coach in the organization next year. I wouldn't be surprised to see him back. He also left the door open for HIll to re-sign at a significantly cheaper deal if he/they want to do that.

          Either way AA has proven he can make shrewd decisions that for the short term may help one of the players (Hill) and give another (McDonald) a chance at a WS ring. One thing I know for sure is that D-Backs fans will be surprised by Hills defense at 2B and they'll LOVE what Johnny Mac provides as a defensive specialist. Apparently Johnny Mac was the centerpiece to the trade as Kevin Towers explicitly asked for him when they began talking trade.

          Kelly Johnson will be given a long, hard look and if he clicks in the final month of the season then the Jays may sign him to a modest contract or look elsewhere.
          Last edited by SPTO; 08-24-2011, 04:21 AM.
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          • DrJones
            All Star
            • Mar 2003
            • 9109

            #6
            Re: Aaron Hill and John McDonald traded to D-Backs for Kelly Johnson

            Unless the rest of my lineup is composed of the 1927 Yankees, I don't want any 36-year-old "defensive specialists" starting for my team.
            Originally posted by Thrash13
            Dr. Jones was right in stating that. We should have believed him.
            Originally posted by slickdtc
            DrJones brings the stinky cheese is what we've all learned from this debacle.
            Originally posted by Kipnis22
            yes your fantasy world when your proven wrong about 95% of your post

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            • SPTO
              binging
              • Feb 2003
              • 68046

              #7
              Re: Aaron Hill and John McDonald traded to D-Backs for Kelly Johnson

              Originally posted by DrJones
              Unless the rest of my lineup is composed of the 1927 Yankees, I don't want any 36-year-old "defensive specialists" starting for my team.
              I dunno, seems like the Cardinals did well for themselves with Ozzie Smith

              I know, different era and well his defense was simple HOF material but you get my point I think
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              • DrJones
                All Star
                • Mar 2003
                • 9109

                #8
                Re: Aaron Hill and John McDonald traded to D-Backs for Kelly Johnson

                Originally posted by SPTO
                I dunno, seems like the Cardinals did well for themselves with Ozzie Smith

                I know, different era and well his defense was simple HOF material but you get my point I think
                I do. But even if you don't take era into account, Ozzie Smith wasn't nearly the offensive black hole that Johnny Mac is, of course. Ozzie provided reasonable AVG/OBP plus 30-40 steals per season to go along with the backflips. And if you do take the sorry offensive state of 1980s NL shortstops into account, Smith was decidedly an above average hitter during his prime, probably top-5 in the league at his position. Hell, he won a Silver Slugger once!
                Last edited by DrJones; 08-25-2011, 04:17 AM.
                Originally posted by Thrash13
                Dr. Jones was right in stating that. We should have believed him.
                Originally posted by slickdtc
                DrJones brings the stinky cheese is what we've all learned from this debacle.
                Originally posted by Kipnis22
                yes your fantasy world when your proven wrong about 95% of your post

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                • lonewolf371
                  MVP
                  • Aug 2009
                  • 3420

                  #9
                  Re: Aaron Hill and John McDonald traded to D-Backs for Kelly Johnson

                  Kelly Johnson is an enigma to me, having owned him on my fantasy team. He has tiny stretches where he's the best 2B in baseball, and then sandwich it on either side with a massive amount of suck.

                  I don't think he's a long-term solution, but he's definitely at least an average major leaguer at his position.
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                  • crayzman
                    Rookie
                    • Sep 2004
                    • 403

                    #10
                    Re: Aaron Hill and John McDonald traded to D-Backs for Kelly Johnson

                    Originally posted by DrJones
                    I do. But even if you don't take era into account, Ozzie Smith wasn't nearly the offensive black hole that Johnny Mac is, of course. Ozzie provided reasonable AVG/OBP plus 30-40 steals per season to go along with the backflips. And if you do take the sorry offensive state of 1980s NL shortstops into account, Smith was decidedly an above average hitter during his prime, probably top-5 in the league at his position. Hell, he won a Silver Slugger once!
                    Sad stat of the season:
                    McDonald - .244 AVG/.279 OBP/.337 SLG
                    Hill - .223 AVG/.268 OBP/.310 SLG

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                    • CWood2
                      TNA & WWE thanks you
                      • May 2004
                      • 4356

                      #11
                      Re: Aaron Hill and John McDonald traded to D-Backs for Kelly Johnson

                      I pretty much love every deal Alex makes.

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