Red Sox vs. A's Game 5 Discussion

**rubisco43** · 10-07-2003, 09:55 AM

Re: Red Sox vs. A\'s Game 5 Discussion

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I was watching the same game you were. Strike three pitches to both batters started on the inside of the plate and tailed to the middle. No, they weren't piped (guess I could've been less concise, but I was tired). I'm not taking anything away from Lowe. They were great pitches with nasty movement. But even if the pitches had no movement, I believe they would've been called strikes. It's not like they were borderline calls. Both pitches got a very good portion of the plate.

All I'm saying is you can't take pitches that close with two strikes. Gotta give yourself a chance to put the ball in play and make something happen. Can't do that with the bat on your shoulder.

Either way, it didn't matter to me. I couldn't care less about either team. It was definitely exciting stuff. But I stand by my statement. To strike out looking twice with the winning run in scoring position and the division series on the line ...

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Although I agree that both batters HAD to swing in that situation, did you see HOW MUCH those pitches moved? I mean, both of them were about to hit Melhuse's and Long's elbows before it broke back in for the strike. Those were tough pitches to swing at.

**rubisco43** · 10-07-2003, 09:56 AM

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Does anyone know what the fan said to Damian Jackson that got pissed the Sox off so bad? It was funny seeing him put in a headlock by the security

**rubisco43** · 10-07-2003, 09:56 AM

Re: Red Sox vs. A\'s Game 5 Discussion

Does anyone know what the fan said to Damian Jackson that got pissed the Sox off so bad? It was funny seeing him put in a headlock by the security

**rubisco43** · 10-07-2003, 09:56 AM

Re: Red Sox vs. A\'s Game 5 Discussion

Does anyone know what the fan said to Damian Jackson that got pissed the Sox off so bad? It was funny seeing him put in a headlock by the security

**rubisco43** · 10-07-2003, 10:17 AM

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nvm... from oaklandtribune.com

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"He was saying it was my fault and we suck and things of that nature," Jackson said. "It was terrible timing. I live in the Bay Area, and I felt ashamed to call myself a Bay Area resident. This guy is yelling stuff like that as a guy is getting carted off on a stretcher."

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**rubisco43** · 10-07-2003, 10:17 AM

Re: Red Sox vs. A\'s Game 5 Discussion

nvm... from oaklandtribune.com

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"He was saying it was my fault and we suck and things of that nature," Jackson said. "It was terrible timing. I live in the Bay Area, and I felt ashamed to call myself a Bay Area resident. This guy is yelling stuff like that as a guy is getting carted off on a stretcher."

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**rubisco43** · 10-07-2003, 10:17 AM

Re: Red Sox vs. A\'s Game 5 Discussion

nvm... from oaklandtribune.com

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"He was saying it was my fault and we suck and things of that nature," Jackson said. "It was terrible timing. I live in the Bay Area, and I felt ashamed to call myself a Bay Area resident. This guy is yelling stuff like that as a guy is getting carted off on a stretcher."

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**athletics_fan** · 10-07-2003, 10:23 AM

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There's always next year.

**athletics_fan** · 10-07-2003, 10:23 AM

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There's always next year.

**athletics_fan** · 10-07-2003, 10:23 AM

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There's always next year.

**BaldEaglePride** · 10-07-2003, 10:43 AM

Re: Red Sox vs. A\'s Game 5 Discussion

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rubisco43 said:
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BaldEaglePride said:

I was watching the same game you were. Strike three pitches to both batters started on the inside of the plate and tailed to the middle. No, they weren't piped (guess I could've been less concise, but I was tired). I'm not taking anything away from Lowe. They were great pitches with nasty movement. But even if the pitches had no movement, I believe they would've been called strikes. It's not like they were borderline calls. Both pitches got a very good portion of the plate.

All I'm saying is you can't take pitches that close with two strikes. Gotta give yourself a chance to put the ball in play and make something happen. Can't do that with the bat on your shoulder.

Either way, it didn't matter to me. I couldn't care less about either team. It was definitely exciting stuff. But I stand by my statement. To strike out looking twice with the winning run in scoring position and the division series on the line ...

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Although I agree that both batters HAD to swing in that situation, did you see HOW MUCH those pitches moved? I mean, both of them were about to hit Melhuse's and Long's elbows before it broke back in for the strike. Those were tough pitches to swing at.

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Okay, okay. I don't want to get into an argument here. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I've already acknowledged that both pitches were great pitches. I did see how much they moved. Had both batters struck out swinging, we wouldn't even be having this discussion. No question ... great pitches by Lowe. I will admit that my first comment was a little too concise and misleading. Neither pitch was grooved. But we're not talking about borderline strikes here, either. Both pitches had plenty of plate.

Anyway, all this focus on my interpretation as to the location of the pitches, has taken away from what really ought to be the main point. You have to protect the plate with two strikes, especially with such a critical game on the line. It has to be very disappointing for Oakland fans to watch two of their hitters strikeout looking on basically the same pitch.

So, try as you might to change my mind, I stand by my statements. They were great pitches, but not borderline strikes. Gotta go down swinging there, otherwise ... well, we all know the result. Can't make anything happen if you don't put the ball in play (short of a wild pitch or balk of course).

**BaldEaglePride** · 10-07-2003, 10:43 AM

Re: Red Sox vs. A\'s Game 5 Discussion

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rubisco43 said:
<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
BaldEaglePride said:

I was watching the same game you were. Strike three pitches to both batters started on the inside of the plate and tailed to the middle. No, they weren't piped (guess I could've been less concise, but I was tired). I'm not taking anything away from Lowe. They were great pitches with nasty movement. But even if the pitches had no movement, I believe they would've been called strikes. It's not like they were borderline calls. Both pitches got a very good portion of the plate.

All I'm saying is you can't take pitches that close with two strikes. Gotta give yourself a chance to put the ball in play and make something happen. Can't do that with the bat on your shoulder.

Either way, it didn't matter to me. I couldn't care less about either team. It was definitely exciting stuff. But I stand by my statement. To strike out looking twice with the winning run in scoring position and the division series on the line ...

<hr /></blockquote>

Although I agree that both batters HAD to swing in that situation, did you see HOW MUCH those pitches moved? I mean, both of them were about to hit Melhuse's and Long's elbows before it broke back in for the strike. Those were tough pitches to swing at.

<hr /></blockquote>

Okay, okay. I don't want to get into an argument here. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I've already acknowledged that both pitches were great pitches. I did see how much they moved. Had both batters struck out swinging, we wouldn't even be having this discussion. No question ... great pitches by Lowe. I will admit that my first comment was a little too concise and misleading. Neither pitch was grooved. But we're not talking about borderline strikes here, either. Both pitches had plenty of plate.

Anyway, all this focus on my interpretation as to the location of the pitches, has taken away from what really ought to be the main point. You have to protect the plate with two strikes, especially with such a critical game on the line. It has to be very disappointing for Oakland fans to watch two of their hitters strikeout looking on basically the same pitch.

So, try as you might to change my mind, I stand by my statements. They were great pitches, but not borderline strikes. Gotta go down swinging there, otherwise ... well, we all know the result. Can't make anything happen if you don't put the ball in play (short of a wild pitch or balk of course).

**BaldEaglePride** · 10-07-2003, 10:43 AM

Re: Red Sox vs. A\'s Game 5 Discussion

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rubisco43 said:
<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
BaldEaglePride said:

I was watching the same game you were. Strike three pitches to both batters started on the inside of the plate and tailed to the middle. No, they weren't piped (guess I could've been less concise, but I was tired). I'm not taking anything away from Lowe. They were great pitches with nasty movement. But even if the pitches had no movement, I believe they would've been called strikes. It's not like they were borderline calls. Both pitches got a very good portion of the plate.

All I'm saying is you can't take pitches that close with two strikes. Gotta give yourself a chance to put the ball in play and make something happen. Can't do that with the bat on your shoulder.

Either way, it didn't matter to me. I couldn't care less about either team. It was definitely exciting stuff. But I stand by my statement. To strike out looking twice with the winning run in scoring position and the division series on the line ...

<hr /></blockquote>

Although I agree that both batters HAD to swing in that situation, did you see HOW MUCH those pitches moved? I mean, both of them were about to hit Melhuse's and Long's elbows before it broke back in for the strike. Those were tough pitches to swing at.

<hr /></blockquote>

Okay, okay. I don't want to get into an argument here. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I've already acknowledged that both pitches were great pitches. I did see how much they moved. Had both batters struck out swinging, we wouldn't even be having this discussion. No question ... great pitches by Lowe. I will admit that my first comment was a little too concise and misleading. Neither pitch was grooved. But we're not talking about borderline strikes here, either. Both pitches had plenty of plate.

Anyway, all this focus on my interpretation as to the location of the pitches, has taken away from what really ought to be the main point. You have to protect the plate with two strikes, especially with such a critical game on the line. It has to be very disappointing for Oakland fans to watch two of their hitters strikeout looking on basically the same pitch.

So, try as you might to change my mind, I stand by my statements. They were great pitches, but not borderline strikes. Gotta go down swinging there, otherwise ... well, we all know the result. Can't make anything happen if you don't put the ball in play (short of a wild pitch or balk of course).

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