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  • ty5oke
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    • Feb 2003
    • 2912

    #1126
    Re: The Hot Stove League Thread

    You're going to have fans like and dislike almost every trade. I personally would rather have Montero than Pineda right now with the top pitching prospects we have in the minors. I just can't figure out why Campos had to go.
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    • Sandman42
      Hall Of Fame
      • Aug 2004
      • 15186

      #1127
      Re: The Hot Stove League Thread

      Funny that Pineda and Montero are both likely to put up better numbers with their old teams, but are more important to their new teams.

      Also will have to retire my Montero shirt that I'm wearing right now. Figures he gets traded the day I wear it.
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      • jkra0512
        MVP
        • Sep 2006
        • 2277

        #1128
        Re: The Hot Stove League Thread

        Originally posted by Sandman42
        Sad to see Montero go, but at the same time the rotation was a much bigger need than having a DH. I pretty much gave up on having Montero as catcher, and while he can still rake, his value does take a hit with him only DHing, especially with the Yankees needing that spot eventually for ARod/Jeter to play at.

        Only thing I'm worried about with Pineda is he is a big time fly ball pitcher with no big out pitch to lefties. His stuff is undeniable though so I'm hoping a changeup will eventually come along.

        Haven't heard of him before today, but I see most scouting guys love Campos, although he is only in low A. Much higher upside than Noesi though so that isn't a big loss.

        Rotation before today: CC, Nova, Burnett, Hughes, Garcia
        Rotation now: CC, Kuroda, Pineda, Nova, Burnett/Garcia with Hughes in the pen with Joba/Soriano/Robertson/Rivera

        Always amazed how these moves by Cashman come out of nowhere. Just an hour ago we heard Seattle is acquiring a big time young hitter and the deal is done an hour later and Kuroda is signed. He's like a ninja.

        I'd be a fan of signing Pena to fill the DH spot now. Give me a platoon of Pena/Andruw Jones at DH.
        Completely agree, Sandman. Although, I (as well as every other Yankees fan) would love for the Yanks to trade Burnett rather than put Hughes in the bullpen. I think Hughes can still be a #3 (optimistic, I know), while The Burnett Experiment has run its course. However, no team wants Burnett even if the Yanks eat most of his contract (a la what the Cubs did with Zambrano)

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        • Sandman42
          Hall Of Fame
          • Aug 2004
          • 15186

          #1129
          Re: The Hot Stove League Thread

          Originally posted by jkra0512
          Completely agree, Sandman. Although, I (as well as every other Yankees fan) would love for the Yanks to trade Burnett rather than put Hughes in the bullpen. I think Hughes can still be a #3 (optimistic, I know), while The Burnett Experiment has run its course. However, no team wants Burnett even if the Yanks eat most of his contract (a la what the Cubs did with Zambrano)
          I've seen a Burnett for Dunn trade proposed by some baseball guys on Twitter. Both contracts teams want to get rid of. Yankees do need a DH now, but Dunn does have 3 years left while Burnett only has 2.
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          • bigfnjoe96
            Hall Of Fame
            • Feb 2004
            • 11410

            #1130
            Cashman is an assassin. Rothschild is gonna really help Pineda with his mechanics, which should his arm.

            Signing Kuroda is another great move. Another lefty, which is a plus & a veteran to boot

            Montero is a ball player, his catching skills though need work.

            Love trade

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            • Mo
              SSN
              • May 2003
              • 11425

              #1131
              Re: The Hot Stove League Thread

              Kuroda is not a lefty though
              Don't you EVER read my blog? It's gotten a lot better.

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              • Coug00
                LOB
                • Jul 2002
                • 3476

                #1132
                Re: The Hot Stove League Thread

                Originally posted by WazzuRC
                I'm going to reserve judgement on trade yet. Montero is big time talent but so is Pineda. We desperately need any hitting we can get. I honestly don't know what to think, but I'll miss Pineda. Such a great young pitcher.

                Yanks called about Felix but didn't get anywhere. M's tried to get Nova and Montero for Pineda + prospects but Yanks wouldn't budge.
                Yep, but I can understand letting Pineda go with the lack of hitting prospects and abundance of near-ready pitching talent Seattle has coming up through the system (specifically Walker, Hultzen, and Paxton).

                I still think Smoak can be a plus 1B if he can stay healthy. Ackley, Montero, and Smoak isn't a bad foundation (based on potential).
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                • bigfnjoe96
                  Hall Of Fame
                  • Feb 2004
                  • 11410

                  #1133
                  Originally posted by Mo
                  Kuroda is not a lefty though
                  You are correct.

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                  • WazzuRC
                    Go Cougs!
                    • Dec 2002
                    • 5617

                    #1134
                    Originally posted by Coug00
                    I still think Smoak can be a plus 1B if he can stay healthy. Ackley, Montero, and Smoak isn't a bad foundation (based on potential).
                    I read today that Smoak has gotten leaner and stronger this offseason. Guti has also put on 19lbs. since the season ended. Whatever that's worth.

                    I got to see Campos pitch twice last year and dude has electric stuff. Very surprised the M's parted with him.

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                    • 12
                      Banned
                      • Feb 2010
                      • 4458

                      #1135
                      Re: The Hot Stove League Thread

                      As an M's fan, I understand why they traded Michael Pineda. It hurts, it really hurts, but I don't hate the trade.

                      For an organization that scratches at the bottom of the barrel in offensive talent at both the MLB and Minor League levels, the logic is easy to see. Montero is a big time hitting prospect and was just as elite of a prospect as Pineda was. The M's have a couple of (probable) MLB ready level arms on the farm in Danny Hultzen and James Paxton, with another stud in Taijuan Walker a year or two away. We are fairly deep pitching wise but dirt poor offensively - so the deal makes sense. What good is a top 10-12 pitching staff (correct me if I'm wrong) if your offense can't score enough to keep you from losing 97+ games (101 losses in two out of three years) in three out of the past four seasons?

                      If he can become the hitter that many think he will become, then the deal is worth it... BUT, why in the hell did the M's have to throw in Jose "Vicente" Campos in as well? Many thought he was the next Pineda - extremely young, good frame, has touched 98 MPH on the gun... He's not even 20 yet. Hell, he might not even be 19 yet. It seems that the M's could have dealt Pineda for Montero straight up. Can someone tell me why they couldn't have? Pineda proved himself to be a great young pitcher last year while Montero showed that he can rake in a smaller sample size. Both are elite young players/prospects, so why did the M's have to give Campos away?

                      That's what is really getting to me right now. But even so, a young offensive nucleus of Ackley, Montero and Smoak is intriguing. All three of these guys are/were elite level prospects but Smoak has lost some steam. He had a rough year personally last season and battled through some injury issues, but he needs to have a good year.

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                      • 12
                        Banned
                        • Feb 2010
                        • 4458

                        #1136
                        Re: The Hot Stove League Thread

                        As I think on it more, and read more, I am starting to really stew on the fact that we traded Jose Campos as well.

                        It just doesn't make sense to me.

                        I'll take Montero for Pineda straight up, though even that's hard... but adding Campos, who scouts love, is what is chapping my *** right now.

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                        • NYJets
                          Hall Of Fame
                          • Jul 2002
                          • 18637

                          #1137
                          Re: The Hot Stove League Thread

                          I like it. I'll miss Montero but he was probably not ever going to catch here. Martin is solid for now and we have other catchers in the system so it didn't make much sense to stick him back there and hope for the best. First base won't be open for awhile, and A-Rod is probably going to have to DH at some point. Montero is going to be a great hitter but on this team he was more of a luxury than a guy who fills a real need.

                          I like Kuroda on a 1 year deal. Not much risk if he ends up being just an NL guy. Can hold a spot down until hopefully Banuelos and/or Betances is ready.

                          CC
                          Kuroda
                          Pineda
                          Nova
                          Garcia
                          Hughes
                          Burnett

                          7 starters for 5 spots. I hope they can find a way to dump Burnett. There isn't much to salvage there. This isn't AJ Burnett of a few years ago with great stuff who just couldn't get his head on right. His fastball is nowhere near the same. I think Nova has earned a chance to start the year in the rotation and Hughes and Garcia should battle for the last spot.
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                          • jkra0512
                            MVP
                            • Sep 2006
                            • 2277

                            #1138
                            Re: The Hot Stove League Thread

                            Originally posted by Apostle
                            As I think on it more, and read more, I am starting to really stew on the fact that we traded Jose Campos as well.

                            It just doesn't make sense to me.

                            I'll take Montero for Pineda straight up, though even that's hard... but adding Campos, who scouts love, is what is chapping my *** right now.
                            I think you're forgetting that the M's also received Hector Noesi, and while he's not a stud he's dependable. Meanwhile, Campos could still turn into a bust (his stats look good thus far). Noesi has proven in his short time that he's capable of getting big league hitters out. He's more of a control pitcher than a fireballer, but he's definitely above-average. I will miss him...

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                            • Bondgirl0072
                              Banned
                              • Jul 2010
                              • 1138

                              #1139
                              Re: The Hot Stove League Thread

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                              • Coug00
                                LOB
                                • Jul 2002
                                • 3476

                                #1140
                                Re: The Hot Stove League Thread

                                Originally posted by Apostle
                                That's what is really getting to me right now. But even so, a young offensive nucleus of Ackley, Montero and Smoak is intriguing. All three of these guys are/were elite level prospects but Smoak has lost some steam. He had a rough year personally last season and battled through some injury issues, but he needs to have a good year.
                                Smoak's season was understandable. The loss of his father and the recurring wrist injury justify a subpar season. I think the Smoak we saw early and late in the season is closer to the player Seattle can expect.

                                This trade really sets up Seattle to compete with Anaheim and Texas in 2-3 years. They don't have the monetary power to compete with those two, especially with Larsen's divorce, but they are building up their system with elite, young talent that they control for the next 4-5 years.

                                I think Carp is the next one to go. He's really without a position now and he's not an outfielder...especially in left at Safeco.
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