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  • yanks1
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    • Feb 2003
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    #76
    Re: Jeff Weaver?????

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    AI_Franchise03 said:
    I don't consider Armando to have great stuff. Just because you have a high 90's fastball, doesn't qualify as "great stuff". At least not in my opinion. Does he even have any breaking balls? I could sworn all he thows is the fastball, and on ocassions the changeup.

    Anyways, watching Weaver pitch this season, he had couple of problems that could be taken care of. He ussually gets killed and majority of his HRS come off the hanging curve. He's been advised to keep away from it because most of the times he keeps it up instead of low. All he needs to do, is keep the ball down at all cost, but I guess that advice is given to all pitchers. His attitude on the mound needs to change ASAP. That's the first thing he needs to do to have any success. Everytime he gives up a hit, it's like he just gave up a homer. He fumes at the mound everytime a grounder goes through the IF. What he needs to do is tip his cap to that batter, and go after the next hitter, because most of times he is so angry, he hangs a pitch to the next batter, and boom, it's gone. Same idea if there is an error made on the behalf of his teammates.
    Also, it's been sayed that whenever he is about to throw one of his pitches(changeup), he slows down or does something differently than as opposed when he throws the fastball. The hitters pick that up right away.
    And lastly, if he gets into a jam, expect to see some runs put up on the board, because he looses his cool and tries to overpower the hitter, which in the end never works.
    And I can recall at least one great game from him in a batters park, which was in Fenway, when Hammond gave up the 3-run homer to Varitek, to tie the game. Of course, Weaver's emotions were running high in the dugout after that homerun.
    Jeff Weaver needs to stay consistent, and not give into the pressure, because it's always going to be there no matter what.

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    AI, what qualifies as "great" stuff then? If you throw hard and are accurate, you're said to have a "great" arm. If you throw slow, unaccurate, and can't make it to second base from shallow center field, you have a rag arm- in other words, your name is Bernie Williams, lol. Back to Weaver, you pretty much said that if Weaver changes EVERYTHING about the way he pitches, he'll do OK. It's kinda like Karim Garcia. The guys has one good month in his life, and now he's the next Barry Bonds. Don't you think it's a little odd that Cleveland of all places, would let him go if he's so great? I think he's a Shane Spencer type, he shows you he can play once, but can't ever replicate the performance. Weaver ISN'T the type of guy the Yankees like to have on their team. He's a whining little kid who stomps around on the mound and blames his teammates when they make an error. I don't get how anyone can defend the guy. At least Michael Kay and Jim Kaat are being PAYED by the Yankees- so they can't say anything bad about him. I'll say it again, Jeff Weaver pitched in a pitcher's park, and he still didn't do great. Hopefully the Tigers will want him back and we'll somehow get Lilly from the A's, cause Lilly WILL be a great pitcher some day.
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    • Spectre
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      • Mar 2003
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      #77
      Re: Jeff Weaver?????

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      yanks1 said:
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      yanks1 said:
      I've got a question. Did any of you actually ever watch Weaver this year and last year? I'd love to see this "great stuff" he supposedly has. Just cause you throw hard, which Weaver doesn't throw THAT hard, doesn't mean you'll ever be a good pitcher. Take Armando Benitez for example, I think we'd all agree that he's absolutely terrible.

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      I don't believe that Benitez is "terrible". Is he a clutch pitcher? No. But look at his regular season stats for the past 5 years and you'll see that he is one of the top 5 or 6 closers in baseball.

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      LOL, I love what you just said. Wow, the guy can get the Brewers out in a game that doesn't matter- I'm sooo impressed. Are you one of those people who makes the argument (entirely based on regular season numbers) that Benitez is as good or better than Mariano. You wouldn't believe how many Mets fans say that on Mike and the Maddog. A closer is supposed to get people out and shut the door in IMPORTANT games. Benitez has blown every important game I've ever seen him pitch in. The fact of the matter is that he can't get good teams out cause he sucks. And by the way, he does throw a splitter, and that's part of his problem. It doesn't do anything and hitters crush it.

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      I don't know what WFAN you listen to, but I have never heard any of us praising Benitez. Stop trying to make it sound like we liked Armando,; we wanted him out of here ASAP. I don't think any of the real Mets fans that called the FAN could ever legitimately say Mando was better than Mo. Every call I heard was bashing that bum.

      The only reason I listen to that show show is to listen to Fatcessa complain after the Yankees lost and propose ridiculous A-Rod trade packages. Mad Dog is also classic after the Giants lost.

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      • Spectre
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        • Mar 2003
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        #78
        Re: Jeff Weaver?????

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        yanks1 said:
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        samjjones said:
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        yanks1 said:
        I've got a question. Did any of you actually ever watch Weaver this year and last year? I'd love to see this "great stuff" he supposedly has. Just cause you throw hard, which Weaver doesn't throw THAT hard, doesn't mean you'll ever be a good pitcher. Take Armando Benitez for example, I think we'd all agree that he's absolutely terrible.

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        I don't believe that Benitez is "terrible". Is he a clutch pitcher? No. But look at his regular season stats for the past 5 years and you'll see that he is one of the top 5 or 6 closers in baseball.

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        LOL, I love what you just said. Wow, the guy can get the Brewers out in a game that doesn't matter- I'm sooo impressed. Are you one of those people who makes the argument (entirely based on regular season numbers) that Benitez is as good or better than Mariano. You wouldn't believe how many Mets fans say that on Mike and the Maddog. A closer is supposed to get people out and shut the door in IMPORTANT games. Benitez has blown every important game I've ever seen him pitch in. The fact of the matter is that he can't get good teams out cause he sucks. And by the way, he does throw a splitter, and that's part of his problem. It doesn't do anything and hitters crush it.

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        I don't know what WFAN you listen to, but I have never heard any of us praising Benitez. Stop trying to make it sound like we liked Armando,; we wanted him out of here ASAP. I don't think any of the real Mets fans that called the FAN could ever legitimately say Mando was better than Mo. Every call I heard was bashing that bum.

        The only reason I listen to that show show is to listen to Fatcessa complain after the Yankees lost and propose ridiculous A-Rod trade packages. Mad Dog is also classic after the Giants lost.

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        • Spectre
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          • Mar 2003
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          #79
          Re: Jeff Weaver?????

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          yanks1 said:
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          samjjones said:
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          yanks1 said:
          I've got a question. Did any of you actually ever watch Weaver this year and last year? I'd love to see this "great stuff" he supposedly has. Just cause you throw hard, which Weaver doesn't throw THAT hard, doesn't mean you'll ever be a good pitcher. Take Armando Benitez for example, I think we'd all agree that he's absolutely terrible.

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          I don't believe that Benitez is "terrible". Is he a clutch pitcher? No. But look at his regular season stats for the past 5 years and you'll see that he is one of the top 5 or 6 closers in baseball.

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          LOL, I love what you just said. Wow, the guy can get the Brewers out in a game that doesn't matter- I'm sooo impressed. Are you one of those people who makes the argument (entirely based on regular season numbers) that Benitez is as good or better than Mariano. You wouldn't believe how many Mets fans say that on Mike and the Maddog. A closer is supposed to get people out and shut the door in IMPORTANT games. Benitez has blown every important game I've ever seen him pitch in. The fact of the matter is that he can't get good teams out cause he sucks. And by the way, he does throw a splitter, and that's part of his problem. It doesn't do anything and hitters crush it.

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          I don't know what WFAN you listen to, but I have never heard any of us praising Benitez. Stop trying to make it sound like we liked Armando,; we wanted him out of here ASAP. I don't think any of the real Mets fans that called the FAN could ever legitimately say Mando was better than Mo. Every call I heard was bashing that bum.

          The only reason I listen to that show show is to listen to Fatcessa complain after the Yankees lost and propose ridiculous A-Rod trade packages. Mad Dog is also classic after the Giants lost.

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          • samjjones
            MVP
            • May 2003
            • 557

            #80
            Re: Jeff Weaver?????

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            yanks1 said:
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            samjjones said:
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            yanks1 said:
            I've got a question. Did any of you actually ever watch Weaver this year and last year? I'd love to see this "great stuff" he supposedly has. Just cause you throw hard, which Weaver doesn't throw THAT hard, doesn't mean you'll ever be a good pitcher. Take Armando Benitez for example, I think we'd all agree that he's absolutely terrible.

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            I don't believe that Benitez is "terrible". Is he a clutch pitcher? No. But look at his regular season stats for the past 5 years and you'll see that he is one of the top 5 or 6 closers in baseball.

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            LOL, I love what you just said. Wow, the guy can get the Brewers out in a game that doesn't matter- I'm sooo impressed. Are you one of those people who makes the argument (entirely based on regular season numbers) that Benitez is as good or better than Mariano. You wouldn't believe how many Mets fans say that on Mike and the Maddog. A closer is supposed to get people out and shut the door in IMPORTANT games. Benitez has blown every important game I've ever seen him pitch in. The fact of the matter is that he can't get good teams out cause he sucks. And by the way, he does throw a splitter, and that's part of his problem. It doesn't do anything and hitters crush it.

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            I certainly wouldn't say Benitez is better than Rivera. But my point is that he is not "garbage". Rivera is the best closer in the history of baseball. Benitez is simply one of the better closers (whom I would rank Gagne, Rivera, Smoltz, Wagner, and then dropoff) in the game. I cannot for the life of my remember a closer who was as dominant in the postseason as Rivera is year in and year out.

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            • samjjones
              MVP
              • May 2003
              • 557

              #81
              Re: Jeff Weaver?????

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              yanks1 said:
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              samjjones said:
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              yanks1 said:
              I've got a question. Did any of you actually ever watch Weaver this year and last year? I'd love to see this "great stuff" he supposedly has. Just cause you throw hard, which Weaver doesn't throw THAT hard, doesn't mean you'll ever be a good pitcher. Take Armando Benitez for example, I think we'd all agree that he's absolutely terrible.

              <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

              I don't believe that Benitez is "terrible". Is he a clutch pitcher? No. But look at his regular season stats for the past 5 years and you'll see that he is one of the top 5 or 6 closers in baseball.

              <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

              LOL, I love what you just said. Wow, the guy can get the Brewers out in a game that doesn't matter- I'm sooo impressed. Are you one of those people who makes the argument (entirely based on regular season numbers) that Benitez is as good or better than Mariano. You wouldn't believe how many Mets fans say that on Mike and the Maddog. A closer is supposed to get people out and shut the door in IMPORTANT games. Benitez has blown every important game I've ever seen him pitch in. The fact of the matter is that he can't get good teams out cause he sucks. And by the way, he does throw a splitter, and that's part of his problem. It doesn't do anything and hitters crush it.

              <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

              I certainly wouldn't say Benitez is better than Rivera. But my point is that he is not "garbage". Rivera is the best closer in the history of baseball. Benitez is simply one of the better closers (whom I would rank Gagne, Rivera, Smoltz, Wagner, and then dropoff) in the game. I cannot for the life of my remember a closer who was as dominant in the postseason as Rivera is year in and year out.

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              • samjjones
                MVP
                • May 2003
                • 557

                #82
                Re: Jeff Weaver?????

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                yanks1 said:
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                samjjones said:
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                yanks1 said:
                I've got a question. Did any of you actually ever watch Weaver this year and last year? I'd love to see this "great stuff" he supposedly has. Just cause you throw hard, which Weaver doesn't throw THAT hard, doesn't mean you'll ever be a good pitcher. Take Armando Benitez for example, I think we'd all agree that he's absolutely terrible.

                <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                I don't believe that Benitez is "terrible". Is he a clutch pitcher? No. But look at his regular season stats for the past 5 years and you'll see that he is one of the top 5 or 6 closers in baseball.

                <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                LOL, I love what you just said. Wow, the guy can get the Brewers out in a game that doesn't matter- I'm sooo impressed. Are you one of those people who makes the argument (entirely based on regular season numbers) that Benitez is as good or better than Mariano. You wouldn't believe how many Mets fans say that on Mike and the Maddog. A closer is supposed to get people out and shut the door in IMPORTANT games. Benitez has blown every important game I've ever seen him pitch in. The fact of the matter is that he can't get good teams out cause he sucks. And by the way, he does throw a splitter, and that's part of his problem. It doesn't do anything and hitters crush it.

                <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                I certainly wouldn't say Benitez is better than Rivera. But my point is that he is not "garbage". Rivera is the best closer in the history of baseball. Benitez is simply one of the better closers (whom I would rank Gagne, Rivera, Smoltz, Wagner, and then dropoff) in the game. I cannot for the life of my remember a closer who was as dominant in the postseason as Rivera is year in and year out.

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                • AI_Franchise03
                  MVP
                  • Dec 2002
                  • 2168

                  #83
                  Re: Jeff Weaver?????

                  Benitez isn't accurate. He's usually all over the plate.
                  What I would consider as great stuff, is what just freezes you, which Benitez certainly doesn't have. Also having a solid delivery helps.
                  All that Benitez throws is the fastball. He's basically more of a thrower than a pitcher. You consider to have "great stuff" when you have more than one pitch! And actually use it, and change the speeds/targets. Sheesh, Benitez throws fricking straight arrows all day.

                  All Weaver needs to do is change his mechanics. He doesn't throw the fastball all day. He actually mixes it up and throws breaking balls, and the offspeed stuff. Just look at Lilly in Oak. He stunk up the joint here in Bronx, yet now he's considered to be a great pitcher in the future. Heck, back then, you couldn't wait to get him outta here.
                  Again, Mel is great, but now with the possibility of him retiring, we could actually get a guy who would bond with the younguns.
                  And finally, though Weaver's attitude won't fly here, we haven't necessarily played our best ball behind him. In terms of O and D. Seems like he never catches a break.
                  " I look at him and it's getting to the point where it's just scaring me. He looks younger but he doesn't carry himself in a younger manner. He's impressive, and I'm glad we drafted him. "
                  - Lavar Arrington on his new Redskins teammate Sean Taylor.

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                  • AI_Franchise03
                    MVP
                    • Dec 2002
                    • 2168

                    #84
                    Re: Jeff Weaver?????

                    Benitez isn't accurate. He's usually all over the plate.
                    What I would consider as great stuff, is what just freezes you, which Benitez certainly doesn't have. Also having a solid delivery helps.
                    All that Benitez throws is the fastball. He's basically more of a thrower than a pitcher. You consider to have "great stuff" when you have more than one pitch! And actually use it, and change the speeds/targets. Sheesh, Benitez throws fricking straight arrows all day.

                    All Weaver needs to do is change his mechanics. He doesn't throw the fastball all day. He actually mixes it up and throws breaking balls, and the offspeed stuff. Just look at Lilly in Oak. He stunk up the joint here in Bronx, yet now he's considered to be a great pitcher in the future. Heck, back then, you couldn't wait to get him outta here.
                    Again, Mel is great, but now with the possibility of him retiring, we could actually get a guy who would bond with the younguns.
                    And finally, though Weaver's attitude won't fly here, we haven't necessarily played our best ball behind him. In terms of O and D. Seems like he never catches a break.
                    " I look at him and it's getting to the point where it's just scaring me. He looks younger but he doesn't carry himself in a younger manner. He's impressive, and I'm glad we drafted him. "
                    - Lavar Arrington on his new Redskins teammate Sean Taylor.

                    The World Is At Your Feet.

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                    • AI_Franchise03
                      MVP
                      • Dec 2002
                      • 2168

                      #85
                      Re: Jeff Weaver?????

                      Benitez isn't accurate. He's usually all over the plate.
                      What I would consider as great stuff, is what just freezes you, which Benitez certainly doesn't have. Also having a solid delivery helps.
                      All that Benitez throws is the fastball. He's basically more of a thrower than a pitcher. You consider to have "great stuff" when you have more than one pitch! And actually use it, and change the speeds/targets. Sheesh, Benitez throws fricking straight arrows all day.

                      All Weaver needs to do is change his mechanics. He doesn't throw the fastball all day. He actually mixes it up and throws breaking balls, and the offspeed stuff. Just look at Lilly in Oak. He stunk up the joint here in Bronx, yet now he's considered to be a great pitcher in the future. Heck, back then, you couldn't wait to get him outta here.
                      Again, Mel is great, but now with the possibility of him retiring, we could actually get a guy who would bond with the younguns.
                      And finally, though Weaver's attitude won't fly here, we haven't necessarily played our best ball behind him. In terms of O and D. Seems like he never catches a break.
                      " I look at him and it's getting to the point where it's just scaring me. He looks younger but he doesn't carry himself in a younger manner. He's impressive, and I'm glad we drafted him. "
                      - Lavar Arrington on his new Redskins teammate Sean Taylor.

                      The World Is At Your Feet.

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                      • yanks1
                        Rookie
                        • Feb 2003
                        • 188

                        #86
                        Re: Jeff Weaver?????

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                        AI_Franchise03 said:
                        Benitez isn't accurate. He's usually all over the plate.
                        What I would consider as great stuff, is what just freezes you, which Benitez certainly doesn't have. Also having a solid delivery helps.
                        All that Benitez throws is the fastball. He's basically more of a thrower than a pitcher. You consider to have "great stuff" when you have more than one pitch! And actually use it, and change the speeds/targets. Sheesh, Benitez throws fricking straight arrows all day.

                        All Weaver needs to do is change his mechanics. He doesn't throw the fastball all day. He actually mixes it up and throws breaking balls, and the offspeed stuff. Just look at Lilly in Oak. He stunk up the joint here in Bronx, yet now he's considered to be a great pitcher in the future. Heck, back then, you couldn't wait to get him outta here.
                        Again, Mel is great, but now with the possibility of him retiring, we could actually get a guy who would bond with the younguns.
                        And finally, though Weaver's attitude won't fly here, we haven't necessarily played our best ball behind him. In terms of O and D. Seems like he never catches a break.

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                        Weaver needs to overhaul his entire delivery. And actually, Lilly was a lot like Pettitte when he was with the Yanks. He'd get lit up one day, and the next he'd shut down the opposing team. And anyone who couldn't wait to get Lilly out of NY needs to either watch more baseball, or stop rooting for the Yankees. It came as a pretty big shock when they said that a young lefty was being dealt for a righty. Thank god we didn't face the A's this year, cause Lilly PROVED what kinda pitcher he is by shutting down the best offense in baseball.
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                        • yanks1
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                          • Feb 2003
                          • 188

                          #87
                          Re: Jeff Weaver?????

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                          AI_Franchise03 said:
                          Benitez isn't accurate. He's usually all over the plate.
                          What I would consider as great stuff, is what just freezes you, which Benitez certainly doesn't have. Also having a solid delivery helps.
                          All that Benitez throws is the fastball. He's basically more of a thrower than a pitcher. You consider to have "great stuff" when you have more than one pitch! And actually use it, and change the speeds/targets. Sheesh, Benitez throws fricking straight arrows all day.

                          All Weaver needs to do is change his mechanics. He doesn't throw the fastball all day. He actually mixes it up and throws breaking balls, and the offspeed stuff. Just look at Lilly in Oak. He stunk up the joint here in Bronx, yet now he's considered to be a great pitcher in the future. Heck, back then, you couldn't wait to get him outta here.
                          Again, Mel is great, but now with the possibility of him retiring, we could actually get a guy who would bond with the younguns.
                          And finally, though Weaver's attitude won't fly here, we haven't necessarily played our best ball behind him. In terms of O and D. Seems like he never catches a break.

                          <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                          Weaver needs to overhaul his entire delivery. And actually, Lilly was a lot like Pettitte when he was with the Yanks. He'd get lit up one day, and the next he'd shut down the opposing team. And anyone who couldn't wait to get Lilly out of NY needs to either watch more baseball, or stop rooting for the Yankees. It came as a pretty big shock when they said that a young lefty was being dealt for a righty. Thank god we didn't face the A's this year, cause Lilly PROVED what kinda pitcher he is by shutting down the best offense in baseball.
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                          • yanks1
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                            • Feb 2003
                            • 188

                            #88
                            Re: Jeff Weaver?????

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                            AI_Franchise03 said:
                            Benitez isn't accurate. He's usually all over the plate.
                            What I would consider as great stuff, is what just freezes you, which Benitez certainly doesn't have. Also having a solid delivery helps.
                            All that Benitez throws is the fastball. He's basically more of a thrower than a pitcher. You consider to have "great stuff" when you have more than one pitch! And actually use it, and change the speeds/targets. Sheesh, Benitez throws fricking straight arrows all day.

                            All Weaver needs to do is change his mechanics. He doesn't throw the fastball all day. He actually mixes it up and throws breaking balls, and the offspeed stuff. Just look at Lilly in Oak. He stunk up the joint here in Bronx, yet now he's considered to be a great pitcher in the future. Heck, back then, you couldn't wait to get him outta here.
                            Again, Mel is great, but now with the possibility of him retiring, we could actually get a guy who would bond with the younguns.
                            And finally, though Weaver's attitude won't fly here, we haven't necessarily played our best ball behind him. In terms of O and D. Seems like he never catches a break.

                            <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                            Weaver needs to overhaul his entire delivery. And actually, Lilly was a lot like Pettitte when he was with the Yanks. He'd get lit up one day, and the next he'd shut down the opposing team. And anyone who couldn't wait to get Lilly out of NY needs to either watch more baseball, or stop rooting for the Yankees. It came as a pretty big shock when they said that a young lefty was being dealt for a righty. Thank god we didn't face the A's this year, cause Lilly PROVED what kinda pitcher he is by shutting down the best offense in baseball.
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