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  • Sportsforever
    NL MVP
    • Mar 2005
    • 20368
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    2002 Barry Bonds and Alfonso Soriano

    Last night on MLBN I was watching the show "Outta Here" and they were covering some stuff from 2002. Despite what think/feel about Bonds, they shared this nugget that was pretty amazing:

    - In 2002 Barry Bonds had a .582 OBP and led the league with 198 walks. He had 403 "official" at bats thanks to all his walks. If Bonds had gone 0-403 in those at bats (that's right, not one hit...403 outs) he would have finished with a .338 OBP, or in other words a higher OBP than Alfonso Soriano did that year (.332). That is absolutely incredible (and speaks as much to Bonds as it does to Soriano imo).

    - This got me to wondering about his 232 walk season (2004) and taking away his hits (so an 0-373 season) he still had an OBP of .391!

    Not looking to incite/rekindle the Barry Bonds/Steroids saga, but these numbers just absolutely blew me away...
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    • CabreraMVP
      MVP
      • Sep 2010
      • 1437
      #2
      Re: 2002 Barry Bonds and Alfonso Soriano

      Haha. Wow. The fact that somebody could hit .000 with a .391 OBP.

      His numbers were really incredible. It wasn't just steroids, because other guys couldn't do this on roids. He was a great hitter. His talent added with the drugs created a monster
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        • tvman
          MVP
          • Nov 2010
          • 1392
          #3
          Re: 2002 Barry Bonds and Alfonso Soriano

          What drugs? Last i saw Bonds has never tested positive.

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            • Perfect Zero
              1B, OF
              • Jun 2005
              • 4012
              #4
              Re: 2002 Barry Bonds and Alfonso Soriano

              The reason why his OBP was so inflated was because he was a huge threat to hit the long ball. I wonder if they accounted for the intentional walks and his large home run total?

              Originally posted by tvman
              What drugs? Last i saw Bonds has never tested positive.
              So if I close my eyes while running a red light, I should never get a ticket?
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                • bkrich83
                  Has Been
                  • Jul 2002
                  • 71582
                  #5
                  Re: 2002 Barry Bonds and Alfonso Soriano

                  Originally posted by tvman
                  What drugs? Last i saw Bonds has never tested positive.
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                    • TCM
                      MVP
                      • Jun 2011
                      • 1800
                      #6
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                      Originally posted by tvman
                      What drugs? Last i saw Bonds has never tested positive.
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                        • l3ulvl
                          Hall Of Fame
                          • Dec 2009
                          • 17245
                          #7
                          Re: 2002 Barry Bonds and Alfonso Soriano

                          Those numbers are incredible. I'm curious about similar other walk artists, like the Babe, or Ted Williams...

                          Well, I just looked up Williams and I don't even need to do the math to know it wouldn't even be close, his best walk season of 162 still had AB totals of 566 and 528 (he did it twice). Ruth's best of 170 still yielded 522 ABs, so that really makes Bonds' numbers amazing.
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                            • Blzer
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                              • Mar 2004
                              • 42520
                              #8
                              Re: 2002 Barry Bonds and Alfonso Soriano

                              I saw the same thing. So awesome haha.
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                                • Blzer
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                                  • Mar 2004
                                  • 42520
                                  #9
                                  Re: 2002 Barry Bonds and Alfonso Soriano

                                  Originally posted by Perfect Zero
                                  The reason why his OBP was so inflated was because he was a huge threat to hit the long ball. I wonder if they accounted for the intentional walks and his large home run total?
                                  I never understood why Pujols or nobody else was ever given the same treatment, then. I think that, if Pujols was treated the exact same way Bonds was, he would become an inferior hitter. The intentional walks might bolster something, but I think he would become a little more impatient and eager, swinging at pitches that he normally wouldn't/shouldn't.
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                                    • Jgainsey
                                      I can't feel it
                                      • Mar 2007
                                      • 3362
                                      #10
                                      Re: 2002 Barry Bonds and Alfonso Soriano

                                      Originally posted by Blzer
                                      I never understood why Pujols or nobody else was ever given the same treatment, then. I think that, if Pujols was treated the exact same way Bonds was, he would become an inferior hitter. The intentional walks might bolster something, but I think he would become a little more impatient and eager, swinging at pitches that he normally wouldn't/shouldn't.
                                      I've thought about this too, but it is really hard to know for sure. The IBBs for Bonds were just insane for a few years, especially 2004.
                                      Now, more than ever

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                                        • TheMatrix31
                                          RF
                                          • Jul 2002
                                          • 52919
                                          #11
                                          Re: 2002 Barry Bonds and Alfonso Soriano

                                          That is insanity.

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                                            • 24
                                              Forever A Legend
                                              • Sep 2008
                                              • 2809
                                              #12
                                              Re: 2002 Barry Bonds and Alfonso Soriano

                                              It just goes to show you how much bonds was feared at the plate. Those brave souls who decided to pitch to him got mauled by him.


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                                                • Blzer
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                                                  • Mar 2004
                                                  • 42520
                                                  #13
                                                  Re: 2002 Barry Bonds and Alfonso Soriano

                                                  Originally posted by poopydude
                                                  It just goes to show you how much bonds was feared at the plate. Those brave souls who decided to pitch to him got mauled by him.
                                                  Call me crazy, but I bet every pitcher that was told to intentionally walk him were biting their tongues hard. I can't think of a single pitcher that wouldn't want to challenge a strong foe, especially in the event that you can retire him. Any closer that faced him, especially someone like Gagne, probably had no more fun on the mound than when he got to give him his best stuff.
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                                                    • CabreraMVP
                                                      MVP
                                                      • Sep 2010
                                                      • 1437
                                                      #14
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                                                      ^ I agree. I'm a pitcher and when I know a big hitter is coming up, I'm not just gonna challenge him right down the middle, but I don't watch to pitch around him. There's no fun in that! You're gonna get burned sometimes, but it's the price you pay. I'm sure theres a few guys who dominated Barry in his career. Not many, but a couple.
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                                                        • 24
                                                          Forever A Legend
                                                          • Sep 2008
                                                          • 2809
                                                          #15
                                                          Re: 2002 Barry Bonds and Alfonso Soriano

                                                          Originally posted by Blzer
                                                          Call me crazy, but I bet every pitcher that was told to intentionally walk him were biting their tongues hard. I can't think of a single pitcher that wouldn't want to challenge a strong foe, especially in the event that you can retire him. Any closer that faced him, especially someone like Gagne, probably had no more fun on the mound than when he got to give him his best stuff.

                                                          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPfddHBGx9Q


                                                          Thats what happened when Gagne challenged him


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