Do you know baseball rules?

[sydrogerdavid]

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If not for ITT's post...

I guess it would be some strange college rule about throwing the ball at a runner. If so, that's a stupid rule and I have never heard of it before.

[TripleCrown9]

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Yeah I know it makes no sense. I suppose the first baseman could have gotten in the way, since he was there trying to catch the ball and tag him out. And the ball did bounce off him and went towards the dugout, but he didn't get up and run, he got up and dusted himself off, and the 1B umpire came over and told him to go to 3rd base. That's the best way to describe what happened.

[Sportsforever]

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Yeah I know it makes no sense. I suppose the first baseman could have gotten in the way, since he was there trying to catch the ball and tag him out. And the ball did bounce off him and went towards the dugout, but he didn't get up and run, he got up and dusted himself off, and the 1B umpire came over and told him to go to 3rd base. That's the best way to describe what happened.

In this case it sounds like the ball rolled into what they call a "dead area" in college. It is different with different ballparks, but the area in front of the dugout/bench area is sometimes considered out of play which if the ball enters the base runners automatically get 2 bases.

[AUTiger1]

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Anyone think they know some of these rules i am going to list...

1. tie goes to the runner

2. the ball hits the plate is fair or foul

3. the bat is part of the hands

4. foul-tip is alive or dead ball (the ball nicks of the bat and goes into catcher glove) a runner stealing does he have to go back?

5. does a batter have to make an attempt to get out of the way with a ball coming towrds him?

6. is being on the base safe if it hits you?

These our just common ones. don't be upset if you get it right or wrong.

1. Yes
2. Fair
3. No
4. Live ball - runner does not have to go back
5. Yes
6. No

[TripleCrown9]

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In this case it sounds like the ball rolled into what they call a "dead area" in college. It is different with different ballparks, but the area in front of the dugout/bench area is sometimes considered out of play which if the ball enters the base runners automatically get 2 bases.

That makes the most sense. The reason, not the rule lol.

[umpire]

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Sorry, he hit a single so he was on first. The next batter flew out to RF. Runner considered trying for 2nd, but changed his mind after a few steps. As he slid into first, the fielder's throw was low and hit him in the back. When he got to his feet, he was told to go to 3rd.

will post the answer to the question in a minute, but did the ball leave the field if it did he be awarded two/ one base matter of the judgement of the umpire.

i think its one of those calls you have to see.


1. tie goes to the runner (when i umpire ll for free i thought this was true that what i heard but teh rule state the runner must beat the ball therefore a tie he does not beat the ball.)

2. the ball hits the plate is fair or foul ( as someone said plate is fair the lines are in the back most people who make the line try to do on the conor of the plate for odd reasons i cannot explain most youth coachs do that.

3. the bat is part of the hands (hands are not part of the bat nor will they ever be.)

4. foul-tip is alive or dead ball (the ball nicks of the bat and goes into catcher glove) a runner stealing does he have to go back? ( There a reason why you never here an umpire call foul-tip you only see the single, under defecation 2.00 foul-tip is alive ball and the runner if stealing can be thrown out (most people get confused over the foul word i believe. just like how we call the foul pole if it hits the pole its a home run.

5. does a batter have to make an attempt to get out of the way with a ball coming towards him? (if a pitcher pitches and headed to the batter he has to attempt to move.

6. is being on the base safe if it hits you? (matters in this case a a tad harder cases yes and no a if a batter hits a ball and hits one of the players on the base he could be called out. just like how a runner is called out if the ball touchs him. this why you see runners in foul terroirty down third base

These our just common ones. don't be upset if you get it right or wrong.

I got patch under babe ruth baseball and now i have both patchs for softball and baseball i get paid for it as well for youth games its 35-45 a game. (softball a lot of fun the girls don't mess around)


Anyways there was this call in a Babe ruth game i had the batters were leanning in a tad first one i notice did move to a point so i didn't call anything. the second batter just lean it put his shoulder there and i call dead ball and called the batter back he was not awarded first he didn't attempt to move. the other coach goes "thank you"

the worst thing i did by accident was a calripken game (babe ruth rules simliar to ll) and a runner was coming home by accident my mask hit the players face i felt so bad.

[umpire]

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It takes a lot to be an umpire, and even if you know the rules you still may not make a good ump. When I was a kid, my dad wanted to become an umpire. He took the classes for Little League and passed them with high marks, but he couldn't stand the fans in the stands. I think he umpired two games overall.

Speaking of that i used to be under some other uic and he said i couldn't make easy calls at all and told me to go to tranning classes... i told him that he was wrong and pretty much f off....

so what i did afterwords is i ask another umpire in another city to see what i am doing wrong and he said i was FINE. and i umpire for him for a few years.

So what happen after that is he gave my name and number to another umpire who does more softball (he got baseball this year now but its more softball) this guy speaks of me very highly and say i am a good umpire.

In fact last year my first year in softball we had local tournament in the Rochester and i was ask to do the 18u and than my uic was the umpire for the next tournament for the 12u ( it was a huge honor being part of both when the *** state commsinor called me to do the 18u i was excited he like why you excited i was like yea i thought i was done umpiring We in new hampshire got the world series qualifiers who wins that goes to the world sereis in fl this year...( we may be asked to help) with that. i was told i am a good umpire. Unlike someone else I also had an umpire change my call and that piss me off i can tell you more stories if you guys are intersted i would post with a blog but i couldn't at the time.

btw sorry if you have a hard time reading me you all been very nice to me for being new. I have dyslexia and a disbality called chrosmoen ring 18 disorder. If you have any problems reading my post don't be insulted to ask me nicley i will do the best to repeat

[ImTellinTim]

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Wow. I completely missed the point of #5, didn't I?

[umpire]

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Wow. I completely missed the point of #5, didn't I?

ahh its not a big deal i could of explain it better

[jd369]

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1. tie goes to the runner- general rule is yes. If you read the terminology very carefully in the rule book it would actually make you think that a tie goes to the runner at first base, however the way its worded a tie would go to the fielder at force outs at 2nd and 3rd

2. the ball hits the plate is fair or foul- both are true, depends on where the ball lands after it has struck homeplate (or if it hits the plate then the player its foul)

3. the bat is part of the hands- the correct wording should be "the hands are part of the bat" in which I case I believe can be true only in the event that the ball hits you on the hand in the process of a swing. we have all seen plenty of HBP on the hands, but I recall a long time ago the ball hit a hand and for some reason it was foul. Id have to do a lot of research to find out the evens that happend

4. foul-tip is alive or dead ball (the ball nicks of the bat and goes into catcher glove) a runner stealing does he have to go back?- live ball

5. does a batter have to make an attempt to get out of the way with a ball coming towrds him?- by rule yes. have seen a few instances where a HBP was not awarded due to this

6. is being on the base safe if it hits you?- I actually consulted the rule book and found I was wrong on this one. I thought being on a base made you safe. that is only true if you are hit by a popfly after the infield fly rule has been called. or course if you are hit by a batted ball while you are in fair territory you are not out.

[umpire]

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1. tie goes to the runner- general rule is yes. If you read the terminology very carefully in the rule book it would actually make you think that a tie goes to the runner at first base, however the way its worded a tie would go to the fielder at force outs at 2nd and 3rd

2. the ball hits the plate is fair or foul- both are true, depends on where the ball lands after it has struck homeplate (or if it hits the plate then the player its foul)

3. the bat is part of the hands- the correct wording should be "the hands are part of the bat" in which I case I believe can be true only in the event that the ball hits you on the hand in the process of a swing. we have all seen plenty of HBP on the hands, but I recall a long time ago the ball hit a hand and for some reason it was foul. Id have to do a lot of research to find out the evens that happend

4. foul-tip is alive or dead ball (the ball nicks of the bat and goes into catcher glove) a runner stealing does he have to go back?- live ball

5. does a batter have to make an attempt to get out of the way with a ball coming towrds him?- by rule yes. have seen a few instances where a HBP was not awarded due to this

6. is being on the base safe if it hits you?- I actually consulted the rule book and found I was wrong on this one. I thought being on a base made you safe. that is only true if you are hit by a popfly after the infield fly rule has been called. or course if you are hit by a batted ball while you are in fair territory you are not out.

i would go look at that again as another rule state that the runner has to beat the ball a tie is not beating the ball. ( as an umpire tie never goes to the runner) the runner is safe or out.

[CMH]

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This reminds me of those "You Make the Call" pages in SI for Kids.

Loved those. Favorite part of the magazine as a kid.

[CMH]

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Hmm, as I quickly researched to make sure I got the name of the SI for Kids feature right, I found this little nugget.

Runners on first and third, one out. Batter hits a fly ball to centerfield which is caught. Runner on first left when the batter hit the ball and before he could return, is doubled at first. Runner on third crosses plate before out is made at first. Does the run score?

[Blzer]

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Anyone think they know some of these rules i am going to list...

1. tie goes to the runner

2. the ball hits the plate is fair or foul

3. the bat is part of the hands

4. foul-tip is alive or dead ball (the ball nicks of the bat and goes into catcher glove) a runner stealing does he have to go back?

5. does a batter have to make an attempt to get out of the way with a ball coming towrds him?

6. is being on the base safe if it hits you?

These our just common ones. don't be upset if you get it right or wrong.

Haven't seen any other responses, but I've played/coached/umped for the better years of my life, so I'll take a stab at it.

1) Technically a mythical situation. You are always either out or safe. But if there ever was such a "tie," you would normally err to the side of the non-call, or the "safe" call in this instance. You don't call an out unless you see an out.

2) If it hits anywhere on the field short of the 90 foot base paths, it is deemed fair until at rest or touched by a player/other object or surface, in which case it is then foul. This includes hitting the plate, or even the grass behind the plate. If it comes back and rests in fair territory without any other sort of guidance other than the ground, it is a fair ball. If it rests on the plate, it is also a fair ball.

3) False, false, false. I think it's normally "hands are part of the bat," but I hate when coaches/umpires think they know what they're talking about in this instance. If you get hit in the hands (without swinging), you are awarded your base. If the ball hits both a hand of yours and a portion of the bat at the same time (again, without swinging), you are also awarded a base. Think of it in a different way... let's say that you swing at the pitch. If it hits your hands and lands in fair territory, is it a fair ball? I think not. Even if it hits part of your bat? No, no, no. That would be a dead ball strike. Every instance is a dead ball, swing or no swing.

4) If the catcher catches the ball, it's a live ball regardless (whether it's a foul tip or a pop up). However, on a caught foul tip (which, by definition, a foul tip is a ball which the catcher doesn't have to readjust his glove to make the catch, and he actually has to make it), it's a live ball strike, and the ball is live so that the runner does not have to retreat to the previous bag. If he swipes it, the bag is his. If the catcher happened to make an adjustment to make the catch, it would technically be an F2, and the runner would have to retreat and the batter is automatically out.

5) My answer will be on the assumption that this is a pitched ball. Ehh, they say you do, but I don't really go by this rule. If you lean into a pitch to get hit, ball or strike, I'll call it as it should be called. But if it goes into your stance somehow and you get hit, I won't force them to stay in the box. I'll give them the base. Many players aren't looking to get hit. It hurts. Many players don't even make an attempt to get out of the way, in that they'll turn their back and let it hit their numbers. Do we call that an attempt? We shouldn't. It sounds like they knew they were going to get hit, and then cushioned the blow. However, if your body ever gets hit by a ball that goes over the plate, even if your knee hangs over it or you check your swing and it hits your hands, I'm always calling that baby a dead ball strike. Not sure I know this rule officially though, because it's so... erm... discretionary.

6) On a batted ball? I want to say that the rules apply exactly the same as if you're off the bag. Most people don't know the rule here, though. They think if it hits you, you're automatically out. There are certain things that need to happen to be called out in that situation. On the rule you're asking about, however, I have a feeling that there's something different when you're considered a forced runner versus when you're not considered a forced runner. I can't say I know this rule exactly, but you would hardly see this since players lead off the bag initially anyway (unless they go back to tag up). The last thing that you want is for a fielder to double up your runner because the runner had to leave the bag to avoid the ball hitting them.

[Kruza]

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Hmm, as I quickly researched to make sure I got the name of the SI for Kids feature right, I found this little nugget.

Only if the runner at third tag up the base after the ball is caught by the centerfielder does the run count as a score. If that third base runner did not tag up on the catch, then it doesn't.

Kruza