6/4 - 6/10 MLB Game Discussion Thread

[The Big Squeezy]

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Ubaldo went first half of 2010 Ubaldo against the Redbirds today. Couple that with a 3-run homer by Kipnis in the top of the 9th and the Indians win 4-1.


Oh, and Chris Perez yakked all over the field after getting the save.

[JBH3]

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Ubaldo went first half of 2010 Ubaldo against the Redbirds today. Couple that with a 3-run homer by Kipnis in the top of the 9th and the Indians win 4-1.


Oh, and Chris Perez yakked all over the field after getting the save.

See what Cleveland does to him....

[TheMatrix31]

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Thanks, Orioles.

Thanks, Yankees.

Thanks for nothing, Red Sox.

[letsgopens66]

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5 games over .500 at this point in the season. Yet another good win today for the Buccos to sweep the Royals

[JBH3]

5 games over .500 at this point in the season. Yet another good win today for the Buccos to sweep the Royals

I am really enjoying this Pirates run, hope they keep it up.

[lonewolf371]

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I am really enjoying this Pirates run, hope they keep it up.

I don't think they will. Their pitching is below average and their offense is awful. I'm a little mystified that they're above .500 right now.

[JBH3]

I don't think they will. Their pitching is below average and their offense is awful. I'm a little mystified that they're above .500 right now.

I think their pitching is coming along actually. James McDonald is leading the way and has been great, is starting to come into his own. Plus Bedard/Burnett are two savvy guys who can give innings, and have been in tough spots. They seem to be as healthy as one could expect. The bullpen is good too, some quality arms and a good closer.

The offense is the biggest question mark. Other than McCutchen, who else is going to carry the team?

[letsgopens66]

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I don't think they will. Their pitching is below average and their offense is awful. I'm a little mystified that they're above .500 right now.

Woah woah woah woah woah.

Below average pitching? We have the 3rd best team ERA in the league, and the second best bullpen ERA in the NL. As for the offense, I agree that it's been bad. However, in the month of June they've scored an average of 4.9 runs per game. Not necessarily awful.

[PhilliesFan13]

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Well remember they are playing without Utley, and Howard. I'd hold off on the fire-sale talk until they get back in the lineup, if they do. Regardless though the pitching has underachieved, and no one would have expected that coming into the year. That both Lee, and Halladay would struggle like they have.

Just curious which pieces would you trade, if they were to go into re-building mode?

Well, if the Phillies do in fact go into sell mode come the trade deadline here's who I would trade.

Joe Blanton would be a goner guaranteed. I'm sure there is a team out there that could use him.

Shane Victorino. Phillies could probably get a decent prospect or two for him.

Placido Polanco. Might be a team out there willing to take him.

Cole Hamels MAYBE. The only way I would agree to deal Hamels is if the Phillies know for a fact they won't be able to re-sign him. Hamels would definitely net the Phillies a few top prospects.

If they really want to go into sell mode they could also deal Hunter Pence. I don't think that would happen though. Phillies still have him under control for 2013 as well.

[lonewolf371]

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I think their pitching is coming along actually. James McDonald is leading the way and has been great, is starting to come into his own. Plus Bedard/Burnett are two savvy guys who can give innings, and have been in tough spots. They seem to be as healthy as one could expect. The bullpen is good too, some quality arms and a good closer.

The offense is the biggest question mark. Other than McCutchen, who else is going to carry the team?

Woah woah woah woah woah.

Below average pitching? We have the 3rd best team ERA in the league, and the second best bullpen ERA in the NL. As for the offense, I agree that it's been bad. However, in the month of June they've scored an average of 4.9 runs per game. Not necessarily awful.

ERA, ERA. The ERA may be okay but the FIP and WAR are below average.

My friend that's a Cardinals fan has been saying the same stuff about guys like Kyle Lohse and Jake Westbrook for years. Any pitcher can put up a good ERA for a month, sometimes even two months, but when you start talking about the whole season I'm never going to put any faith in the likes of guys like Correia and Morton. As for Bedard and Burnett, Bedard's control hasn't been great all and Burnett's has a way of getting bad by the end of the season if you look at the past few years.

[letsgopens66]

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ERA, ERA. The ERA may be okay but the FIP and WAR are below average.

My friend that's a Cardinals fan has been saying the same stuff about guys like Kyle Lohse and Jake Westbrook for years. Any pitcher can put up a good ERA for a month, sometimes even two months, but when you start talking about the whole season I'm never going to put any faith in the likes of guys like Correia and Morton. As for Bedard and Burnett, Bedard's control hasn't been great all and Burnett's has a way of getting bad by the end of the season if you look at the past few years.

You can look at FIP and WAR, but the bottom line is the team ERA is the 3rd best in the league. At this point in the season, the pitching is getting the job done and that's all that matters for me. You're right, Correia and Morton are the weak points of the rotation (at this point in the season) but I'm confident in J Mac, Bedard, and Burnett's pitching.

[lonewolf371]

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You can look at FIP and WAR, but the bottom line is the team ERA is the 3rd best in the league. At this point in the season, the pitching is getting the job done and that's all that matters for me. You're right, Correia and Morton are the weak points of the rotation (at this point in the season) but I'm confident in J Mac, Bedard, and Burnett's pitching.

Haha, you can bottom line it all you want but it's not going to last. Pitchers that walk a lot of batters or fail to strike them out don't do well.

[letsgopens66]

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Haha, you can bottom line it all you want but it's not going to last. Pitchers that walk a lot of batters or fail to strike them out don't do well.

So ground ball pitchers can't succeed?

[snepp]

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He's right, there has been quite a bit of smoke and mirrors with their pitching. Just because their ERA is good now doesn't mean that's how good they actually are. It's been shown that an advanced pitching measure like FIP (or any of the various others) will predict future ERA considerably better than ERA itself, and none of those measures see them as better than middle of the pack in the NL.

And he didn't say anything remotely close to ground ball pitchers not succeeding.

[JBH3]

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Haha, you can bottom line it all you want but it's not going to last. Pitchers that walk a lot of batters or fail to strike them out don't do well.

Pittsburgh starting pitching has allowed the 4th least HRs in the MLB, and their starters are tied at 106 BBs which is tied with 3 other teams for 7th fewest BBs by a Pitching Staff. The Staff's WHIP is 8th fewest, tied with the Mariners and Marlins. I dunno, I think is a good staff, capable of competing for a playoff spot over the course of a season (healthy), but it just won't be able to mask the offenses deficiencies for long.