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  • rsox
    All Star
    • Feb 2003
    • 6309

    #1

    Is the Balance of Power Shifting in the N.L. East

    The Philadelphia Phillies and Florida Marlins have made waves with the players they have signed, the Atlanta Braves and Montreal Expos have made waves with the players they have lost, and the New York Mets have not made waves at all,
    so the Question is: is the balance of power shifting in the N.L. east?, so far the Phillies have traded for Billy Wagner and Eric Milton, signed Tim Worrell, and Kevin Millwood is expected to accept Arbitration, the world champion Florida Marlins traded away 1B Derrek Lee, but re-signed 3B Mike Lowell and 2B Luis Castillo to long term contracts, even with no Pudge or Derrek Lee this is still a good young team, with a solid young pitching staff, both of these teams have made moves that should make them contenders in what might be a very interesting race in the N.L. next season,

    then theres the Montreal Expos, who for the last two seasons have made strong runs in the N.L. wild card race, the Expos will come into this season without Vladmir Guerrero and Javier Vazquez, both have been key players in the teams success over the past two years, even without them this team still has a lot of good pitching, but will likely struggle offensively next season, which may make it hard to contend,
    and then there is the Atlanta Braves the dominate force in the N.L. for the past 13 seasons, whose run at the top may be coming to an end, the Braves in an attempt to cut cost have let many key players such as Greg Maddux Gary Sheffield and Javy Lopez go this offseason by not offering them salary arbitration, a move that may cost them more than it may help, the team also did not offer salary arbitration to most of there bullpen, meaning after John Smoltz and Kevin Gryboski it's anyone's guess who will be coming out of the pen, the Braves have been rumored to be the front runner to sign OF Jose Guillen to fill the void left in the Outfield, the team has signed P John Thomson, and in house Catcher Johnny Estrada will replace Javy Lopez behind the plate, but,
    Jose Guillen is not Gary Sheffield, and John Thomson is not in the same class as a Greg Maddux, so where will that leave the Braves?, only time will tell,

    the Marlins are world champs, the Phillies are the early favorites, and the Braves Expos and Mets...it could be a long season in the N.L. east next year.
  • Stoud
    MVP
    • Mar 2003
    • 1259

    #2
    Re: Is the Balance of Power Shifting in the N.L. East

    So let me get this straight....signing Kazuo Matsui is not a big enough move to be considered a "wave"? It may be just one signing, but it beats the hell out of at least the John Jhompson and Eric Milton signings. I agree the Braves have made moves that will cost them more than a few games, regardless of what they do to try and solve the problem. The Expos have made moves that will help them become a better and more well rounded team. Having an unbeatable right field with Vladi and a solid starter with Javier is not worth the big bucks they were asking, especially when you can get more for less. The replacements they sign might not be of the same calibur, but if they sign and trade smart like they have been doing, that won't matter. I've said it all along, they have like 8 pitchers worthy of a starting position on that roster, they have absolutely NOTHING to worry about there. For all the cash Vladi and Vasquez were taking up on the payroll, they will be able to build a more solid team, and all the signs they have given have pointed at the fact that this is indeed the direction they are headed in, a direction not unlike the Twins have taken, a direction that has gotten the Twins into the post more often than not in the past few years. To even imply that the moves they have made were foolhardy and would then cost them a chance at the division title, that seems pretty silly to me, and I just don't agree at all. They might not win the world series, or even get the title, but they will put up a decent fight if they do what they are so obviously planning to do this off season. Say what you want about their methods, get pissed off at Selig and call him an idiot, if you know anything about the sport, you know that WHOEVER is making the calls up in Montreal is making some VERY SMART decisions. I know it's fun to pick on the silly commish, but come on...if you can't see how the moves implimented by the 'Spos are making the team all that much better, you must need some pretty powerful glasses.

    As for the Phillies, after the way they've treated Millwood and pretty much badmouthed him under their breath, I wouldn't come back if they offered me double last years salary (if I was Millwood). They sign Milton and pretty much declare "we don't need you". Then they offer Arbitration and say "please come back, besides you need us". Need you? Wait a minute here, I was for SURE that a good pitcher like Millwood who put up last years ONLY one hitter, was ALWAYS in the market?! Isn't he?! When did this change? when did his ERA shoot up from 3.00 to 8.00 in the eyes of every major league team out there?! Did he get injured and I missed it? Sounds more like a bunch of BS to me. Millwood could have his pick of any damn team, he doesn't need the Phillies or the crap they've been pulling aimed at hurting his image. They didn't handle that situation very well at all, and if this is the direction Baseball is headed, I'm not liking it one bit. First the Yanks pull that crap with Sheff, and then it now appears the Phils were attempting to make Millwood look bad so they could get him back for cheap! Alot of dirty dealings and scams going on, now you can ask the infamous question: "Where's the Commish during all of this crap?"

    The Marlins will be good no matter what next year, but as I have expressed pretty plainly in this post, they have pretty much just as good a chance as the Spos, Phils, and even the METS at this point at taking home the Title. I'm going to wait until most of the deals are done and made before I pick my favorites. At this point, based on the directions the teams are taking, I'm pickin' the 'Spos or Mets for my favorites. That was the basis of the original question in this post, eh?

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    • Stoud
      MVP
      • Mar 2003
      • 1259

      #3
      Re: Is the Balance of Power Shifting in the N.L. East

      So let me get this straight....signing Kazuo Matsui is not a big enough move to be considered a "wave"? It may be just one signing, but it beats the hell out of at least the John Jhompson and Eric Milton signings. I agree the Braves have made moves that will cost them more than a few games, regardless of what they do to try and solve the problem. The Expos have made moves that will help them become a better and more well rounded team. Having an unbeatable right field with Vladi and a solid starter with Javier is not worth the big bucks they were asking, especially when you can get more for less. The replacements they sign might not be of the same calibur, but if they sign and trade smart like they have been doing, that won't matter. I've said it all along, they have like 8 pitchers worthy of a starting position on that roster, they have absolutely NOTHING to worry about there. For all the cash Vladi and Vasquez were taking up on the payroll, they will be able to build a more solid team, and all the signs they have given have pointed at the fact that this is indeed the direction they are headed in, a direction not unlike the Twins have taken, a direction that has gotten the Twins into the post more often than not in the past few years. To even imply that the moves they have made were foolhardy and would then cost them a chance at the division title, that seems pretty silly to me, and I just don't agree at all. They might not win the world series, or even get the title, but they will put up a decent fight if they do what they are so obviously planning to do this off season. Say what you want about their methods, get pissed off at Selig and call him an idiot, if you know anything about the sport, you know that WHOEVER is making the calls up in Montreal is making some VERY SMART decisions. I know it's fun to pick on the silly commish, but come on...if you can't see how the moves implimented by the 'Spos are making the team all that much better, you must need some pretty powerful glasses.

      As for the Phillies, after the way they've treated Millwood and pretty much badmouthed him under their breath, I wouldn't come back if they offered me double last years salary (if I was Millwood). They sign Milton and pretty much declare "we don't need you". Then they offer Arbitration and say "please come back, besides you need us". Need you? Wait a minute here, I was for SURE that a good pitcher like Millwood who put up last years ONLY one hitter, was ALWAYS in the market?! Isn't he?! When did this change? when did his ERA shoot up from 3.00 to 8.00 in the eyes of every major league team out there?! Did he get injured and I missed it? Sounds more like a bunch of BS to me. Millwood could have his pick of any damn team, he doesn't need the Phillies or the crap they've been pulling aimed at hurting his image. They didn't handle that situation very well at all, and if this is the direction Baseball is headed, I'm not liking it one bit. First the Yanks pull that crap with Sheff, and then it now appears the Phils were attempting to make Millwood look bad so they could get him back for cheap! Alot of dirty dealings and scams going on, now you can ask the infamous question: "Where's the Commish during all of this crap?"

      The Marlins will be good no matter what next year, but as I have expressed pretty plainly in this post, they have pretty much just as good a chance as the Spos, Phils, and even the METS at this point at taking home the Title. I'm going to wait until most of the deals are done and made before I pick my favorites. At this point, based on the directions the teams are taking, I'm pickin' the 'Spos or Mets for my favorites. That was the basis of the original question in this post, eh?

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      • Stoud
        MVP
        • Mar 2003
        • 1259

        #4
        Re: Is the Balance of Power Shifting in the N.L. East

        So let me get this straight....signing Kazuo Matsui is not a big enough move to be considered a "wave"? It may be just one signing, but it beats the hell out of at least the John Jhompson and Eric Milton signings. I agree the Braves have made moves that will cost them more than a few games, regardless of what they do to try and solve the problem. The Expos have made moves that will help them become a better and more well rounded team. Having an unbeatable right field with Vladi and a solid starter with Javier is not worth the big bucks they were asking, especially when you can get more for less. The replacements they sign might not be of the same calibur, but if they sign and trade smart like they have been doing, that won't matter. I've said it all along, they have like 8 pitchers worthy of a starting position on that roster, they have absolutely NOTHING to worry about there. For all the cash Vladi and Vasquez were taking up on the payroll, they will be able to build a more solid team, and all the signs they have given have pointed at the fact that this is indeed the direction they are headed in, a direction not unlike the Twins have taken, a direction that has gotten the Twins into the post more often than not in the past few years. To even imply that the moves they have made were foolhardy and would then cost them a chance at the division title, that seems pretty silly to me, and I just don't agree at all. They might not win the world series, or even get the title, but they will put up a decent fight if they do what they are so obviously planning to do this off season. Say what you want about their methods, get pissed off at Selig and call him an idiot, if you know anything about the sport, you know that WHOEVER is making the calls up in Montreal is making some VERY SMART decisions. I know it's fun to pick on the silly commish, but come on...if you can't see how the moves implimented by the 'Spos are making the team all that much better, you must need some pretty powerful glasses.

        As for the Phillies, after the way they've treated Millwood and pretty much badmouthed him under their breath, I wouldn't come back if they offered me double last years salary (if I was Millwood). They sign Milton and pretty much declare "we don't need you". Then they offer Arbitration and say "please come back, besides you need us". Need you? Wait a minute here, I was for SURE that a good pitcher like Millwood who put up last years ONLY one hitter, was ALWAYS in the market?! Isn't he?! When did this change? when did his ERA shoot up from 3.00 to 8.00 in the eyes of every major league team out there?! Did he get injured and I missed it? Sounds more like a bunch of BS to me. Millwood could have his pick of any damn team, he doesn't need the Phillies or the crap they've been pulling aimed at hurting his image. They didn't handle that situation very well at all, and if this is the direction Baseball is headed, I'm not liking it one bit. First the Yanks pull that crap with Sheff, and then it now appears the Phils were attempting to make Millwood look bad so they could get him back for cheap! Alot of dirty dealings and scams going on, now you can ask the infamous question: "Where's the Commish during all of this crap?"

        The Marlins will be good no matter what next year, but as I have expressed pretty plainly in this post, they have pretty much just as good a chance as the Spos, Phils, and even the METS at this point at taking home the Title. I'm going to wait until most of the deals are done and made before I pick my favorites. At this point, based on the directions the teams are taking, I'm pickin' the 'Spos or Mets for my favorites. That was the basis of the original question in this post, eh?

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        • Mr_October
          MVP
          • Mar 2003
          • 1618

          #5
          Re: Is the Balance of Power Shifting in the N.L. East

          I don't think the power is shifting in the NL East. It's starting to get more like the NL Central. And that is balance. Now the NL East is going to be alot more evenly matched with all the free agent signings their making.
          Kansas City Royals MVP 2005 Dynasty... The Climb To The Top.

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          • Mr_October
            MVP
            • Mar 2003
            • 1618

            #6
            Re: Is the Balance of Power Shifting in the N.L. East

            I don't think the power is shifting in the NL East. It's starting to get more like the NL Central. And that is balance. Now the NL East is going to be alot more evenly matched with all the free agent signings their making.
            Kansas City Royals MVP 2005 Dynasty... The Climb To The Top.

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            • Mr_October
              MVP
              • Mar 2003
              • 1618

              #7
              Re: Is the Balance of Power Shifting in the N.L. East

              I don't think the power is shifting in the NL East. It's starting to get more like the NL Central. And that is balance. Now the NL East is going to be alot more evenly matched with all the free agent signings their making.
              Kansas City Royals MVP 2005 Dynasty... The Climb To The Top.

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              • NY4Life
                MVP
                • Feb 2003
                • 1316

                #8
                Re: Is the Balance of Power Shifting in the N.L. East

                I think the power is shifting, which is why the time is now for the Mets to spend and not slash payroll. The power is shifting because the Braves, which had dominated the NL East for what seems like forever, lost Sheff, Maddux, and Javy. I do not think they can take the NL East again and I think the Expos are obviously out of it. Marlins are world champs so you can't count them out and the phillies are lookin good, but not unstoppable. The balance is shifting and the team that realizes it and takes advantage of it will take the east. Hopefully, the Mets will recognize it and open up the wallets a little bit.

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                • NY4Life
                  MVP
                  • Feb 2003
                  • 1316

                  #9
                  Re: Is the Balance of Power Shifting in the N.L. East

                  I think the power is shifting, which is why the time is now for the Mets to spend and not slash payroll. The power is shifting because the Braves, which had dominated the NL East for what seems like forever, lost Sheff, Maddux, and Javy. I do not think they can take the NL East again and I think the Expos are obviously out of it. Marlins are world champs so you can't count them out and the phillies are lookin good, but not unstoppable. The balance is shifting and the team that realizes it and takes advantage of it will take the east. Hopefully, the Mets will recognize it and open up the wallets a little bit.

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                  • NY4Life
                    MVP
                    • Feb 2003
                    • 1316

                    #10
                    Re: Is the Balance of Power Shifting in the N.L. East

                    I think the power is shifting, which is why the time is now for the Mets to spend and not slash payroll. The power is shifting because the Braves, which had dominated the NL East for what seems like forever, lost Sheff, Maddux, and Javy. I do not think they can take the NL East again and I think the Expos are obviously out of it. Marlins are world champs so you can't count them out and the phillies are lookin good, but not unstoppable. The balance is shifting and the team that realizes it and takes advantage of it will take the east. Hopefully, the Mets will recognize it and open up the wallets a little bit.

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                    • RyGuy78
                      Rookie
                      • Aug 2002
                      • 82

                      #11
                      Re: Is the Balance of Power Shifting in the N.L. East

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                      As for the Phillies, after the way they've treated Millwood and pretty much badmouthed him under their breath, I wouldn't come back if they offered me double last years salary (if I was Millwood). They sign Milton and pretty much declare "we don't need you". Then they offer Arbitration and say "please come back, besides you need us". Need you? Wait a minute here, I was for SURE that a good pitcher like Millwood who put up last years ONLY one hitter, was ALWAYS in the market?! Isn't he?! When did this change? when did his ERA shoot up from 3.00 to 8.00 in the eyes of every major league team out there?! Did he get injured and I missed it? Sounds more like a bunch of BS to me. Millwood could have his pick of any damn team, he doesn't need the Phillies or the crap they've been pulling aimed at hurting his image. They didn't handle that situation very well at all, and if this is the direction Baseball is headed, I'm not liking it one bit. First the Yanks pull that crap with Sheff, and then it now appears the Phils were attempting to make Millwood look bad so they could get him back for cheap! Alot of dirty dealings and scams going on, now you can ask the infamous question: "Where's the Commish during all of this crap?"

                      The Marlins will be good no matter what next year, but as I have expressed pretty plainly in this post, they have pretty much just as good a chance as the Spos, Phils, and even the METS at this point at taking home the Title. I'm going to wait until most of the deals are done and made before I pick my favorites. At this point, based on the directions the teams are taking, I'm pickin' the 'Spos or Mets for my favorites. That was the basis of the original question in this post, eh?

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                      You obviously don't know the whole story about the Millwood situation. His agent is asking for way too much money for his client and this is why there isn't any interest in him. To make matters worse his agent is Scott Boras who is Scott Rolen's agent. Anyway, the Phils aren't trying to get him for cheap because he would get a nice one year deal and then can sign with another team next year.

                      It's also plain to see that you are a Mets fan. Sorry, I can't see the Mets being the favorites in the NL East. For now the Braves are the team to beat. On paper now and based on last year, the Phils and Marlins pose the biggest threat to overturning the Braves atop the division.
                      ---------------
                      Harry Dunne: What's her last name?

                      Lloyd Christmas: You know, I don't really recall. Uh, it starts with "S". Let's see. Swammi? Slippy? Slappy? Swenson? Swanson?

                      Harry Dunne: Maybe it's on the briefcase.

                      Lloyd Christmas: Oh, yeah!
                      [He reads the manufacturer's name, which is Samsonite]

                      Lloyd Christmas: Here it is! "Samsonite"! I was way off! I knew it started with an "S" though.
                      ---------------

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                      • RyGuy78
                        Rookie
                        • Aug 2002
                        • 82

                        #12
                        Re: Is the Balance of Power Shifting in the N.L. East

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                        As for the Phillies, after the way they've treated Millwood and pretty much badmouthed him under their breath, I wouldn't come back if they offered me double last years salary (if I was Millwood). They sign Milton and pretty much declare "we don't need you". Then they offer Arbitration and say "please come back, besides you need us". Need you? Wait a minute here, I was for SURE that a good pitcher like Millwood who put up last years ONLY one hitter, was ALWAYS in the market?! Isn't he?! When did this change? when did his ERA shoot up from 3.00 to 8.00 in the eyes of every major league team out there?! Did he get injured and I missed it? Sounds more like a bunch of BS to me. Millwood could have his pick of any damn team, he doesn't need the Phillies or the crap they've been pulling aimed at hurting his image. They didn't handle that situation very well at all, and if this is the direction Baseball is headed, I'm not liking it one bit. First the Yanks pull that crap with Sheff, and then it now appears the Phils were attempting to make Millwood look bad so they could get him back for cheap! Alot of dirty dealings and scams going on, now you can ask the infamous question: "Where's the Commish during all of this crap?"

                        The Marlins will be good no matter what next year, but as I have expressed pretty plainly in this post, they have pretty much just as good a chance as the Spos, Phils, and even the METS at this point at taking home the Title. I'm going to wait until most of the deals are done and made before I pick my favorites. At this point, based on the directions the teams are taking, I'm pickin' the 'Spos or Mets for my favorites. That was the basis of the original question in this post, eh?

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                        You obviously don't know the whole story about the Millwood situation. His agent is asking for way too much money for his client and this is why there isn't any interest in him. To make matters worse his agent is Scott Boras who is Scott Rolen's agent. Anyway, the Phils aren't trying to get him for cheap because he would get a nice one year deal and then can sign with another team next year.

                        It's also plain to see that you are a Mets fan. Sorry, I can't see the Mets being the favorites in the NL East. For now the Braves are the team to beat. On paper now and based on last year, the Phils and Marlins pose the biggest threat to overturning the Braves atop the division.
                        ---------------
                        Harry Dunne: What's her last name?

                        Lloyd Christmas: You know, I don't really recall. Uh, it starts with "S". Let's see. Swammi? Slippy? Slappy? Swenson? Swanson?

                        Harry Dunne: Maybe it's on the briefcase.

                        Lloyd Christmas: Oh, yeah!
                        [He reads the manufacturer's name, which is Samsonite]

                        Lloyd Christmas: Here it is! "Samsonite"! I was way off! I knew it started with an "S" though.
                        ---------------

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                        • RyGuy78
                          Rookie
                          • Aug 2002
                          • 82

                          #13
                          Re: Is the Balance of Power Shifting in the N.L. East

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                          As for the Phillies, after the way they've treated Millwood and pretty much badmouthed him under their breath, I wouldn't come back if they offered me double last years salary (if I was Millwood). They sign Milton and pretty much declare "we don't need you". Then they offer Arbitration and say "please come back, besides you need us". Need you? Wait a minute here, I was for SURE that a good pitcher like Millwood who put up last years ONLY one hitter, was ALWAYS in the market?! Isn't he?! When did this change? when did his ERA shoot up from 3.00 to 8.00 in the eyes of every major league team out there?! Did he get injured and I missed it? Sounds more like a bunch of BS to me. Millwood could have his pick of any damn team, he doesn't need the Phillies or the crap they've been pulling aimed at hurting his image. They didn't handle that situation very well at all, and if this is the direction Baseball is headed, I'm not liking it one bit. First the Yanks pull that crap with Sheff, and then it now appears the Phils were attempting to make Millwood look bad so they could get him back for cheap! Alot of dirty dealings and scams going on, now you can ask the infamous question: "Where's the Commish during all of this crap?"

                          The Marlins will be good no matter what next year, but as I have expressed pretty plainly in this post, they have pretty much just as good a chance as the Spos, Phils, and even the METS at this point at taking home the Title. I'm going to wait until most of the deals are done and made before I pick my favorites. At this point, based on the directions the teams are taking, I'm pickin' the 'Spos or Mets for my favorites. That was the basis of the original question in this post, eh?

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                          You obviously don't know the whole story about the Millwood situation. His agent is asking for way too much money for his client and this is why there isn't any interest in him. To make matters worse his agent is Scott Boras who is Scott Rolen's agent. Anyway, the Phils aren't trying to get him for cheap because he would get a nice one year deal and then can sign with another team next year.

                          It's also plain to see that you are a Mets fan. Sorry, I can't see the Mets being the favorites in the NL East. For now the Braves are the team to beat. On paper now and based on last year, the Phils and Marlins pose the biggest threat to overturning the Braves atop the division.
                          ---------------
                          Harry Dunne: What's her last name?

                          Lloyd Christmas: You know, I don't really recall. Uh, it starts with "S". Let's see. Swammi? Slippy? Slappy? Swenson? Swanson?

                          Harry Dunne: Maybe it's on the briefcase.

                          Lloyd Christmas: Oh, yeah!
                          [He reads the manufacturer's name, which is Samsonite]

                          Lloyd Christmas: Here it is! "Samsonite"! I was way off! I knew it started with an "S" though.
                          ---------------

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                          • Sully
                            Hall Of Fame
                            • Feb 2003
                            • 16003

                            #14
                            Re: Is the Balance of Power Shifting in the N.L. East

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                            As for the Phillies, after the way they've treated Millwood and pretty much badmouthed him under their breath, I wouldn't come back if they offered me double last years salary (if I was Millwood). They sign Milton and pretty much declare "we don't need you". Then they offer Arbitration and say "please come back, besides you need us". Need you? Wait a minute here, I was for SURE that a good pitcher like Millwood who put up last years ONLY one hitter, was ALWAYS in the market?! Isn't he?! When did this change? when did his ERA shoot up from 3.00 to 8.00 in the eyes of every major league team out there?! Did he get injured and I missed it? Sounds more like a bunch of BS to me. Millwood could have his pick of any damn team, he doesn't need the Phillies or the crap they've been pulling aimed at hurting his image. They didn't handle that situation very well at all, and if this is the direction Baseball is headed, I'm not liking it one bit. First the Yanks pull that crap with Sheff, and then it now appears the Phils were attempting to make Millwood look bad so they could get him back for cheap! Alot of dirty dealings and scams going on, now you can ask the infamous question: "Where's the Commish during all of this crap?"

                            The Marlins will be good no matter what next year, but as I have expressed pretty plainly in this post, they have pretty much just as good a chance as the Spos, Phils, and even the METS at this point at taking home the Title. I'm going to wait until most of the deals are done and made before I pick my favorites. At this point, based on the directions the teams are taking, I'm pickin' the 'Spos or Mets for my favorites. That was the basis of the original question in this post, eh?

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                            You obviously don't know the whole story about the Millwood situation. His agent is asking for way too much money for his client and this is why there isn't any interest in him. To make matters worse his agent is Scott Boras who is Scott Rolen's agent. Anyway, the Phils aren't trying to get him for cheap because he would get a nice one year deal and then can sign with another team next year.

                            It's also plain to see that you are a Mets fan. Sorry, I can't see the Mets being the favorites in the NL East. For now the Braves are the team to beat. On paper now and based on last year, the Phils and Marlins pose the biggest threat to overturning the Braves atop the division.

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                            If the Phils wanted Millwood cheap then they wouldn't offer him arbitration. They know that if he accepts that he is going to get a hefty pay raise. If the market is so hot for Millwood then how come he hasn't received one single offer? It's possible, with the market being so cold for all free agents this winter, that Millwood will accept arbitration for a one year deal then test the market again next offseason.
                            As for the power shifting in the NL East, I believe it is. The Braves lost Sheff, Javy, and Maddux and havn't made one significant signing yet. The Marlins may have lost Lee and Pudge, but rumors are circulating about Javy landing there. With their pitching staff, they will always be competitive. The Mets have signed Kaz Matsui, but have a long ways to go before they are serious contenders. Their pitching staff, starters and bullpen, has way too many question marks in it. The Phils had the offense and are trying to sure up the pitching staff. They signed a premier closer, and traded for Milton, who has potential, but has yet to live up to it. The only thing that scares me about the Phils pitching staff is that there is no true number one. I don't even consider Millwood, if he re-signs, as a number one. Someone has to emerge from their talented group of starters and guarantee a solid outing every fifth day.
                            I really can't talk much about the Expos either. They've lost Vlad and Vazquez, and rumors are around that Vidro is next. Nick Johnson is a solid, very solid player. I like the make up of him. Rivera has yet to prove he is worthy of a starting spot in anyone's lineup.
                            The NL East seems like a race between three teams. The Braves, Phils, and Marlins. I only add the
                            Braves because they seem to step up every year. This year is going to be much harder for them because the division is so balanced. On paper, the Phils and Marlins are better than the Braves. But paper champions don't win world series titles.

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                            • Sully
                              Hall Of Fame
                              • Feb 2003
                              • 16003

                              #15
                              Re: Is the Balance of Power Shifting in the N.L. East

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                              As for the Phillies, after the way they've treated Millwood and pretty much badmouthed him under their breath, I wouldn't come back if they offered me double last years salary (if I was Millwood). They sign Milton and pretty much declare "we don't need you". Then they offer Arbitration and say "please come back, besides you need us". Need you? Wait a minute here, I was for SURE that a good pitcher like Millwood who put up last years ONLY one hitter, was ALWAYS in the market?! Isn't he?! When did this change? when did his ERA shoot up from 3.00 to 8.00 in the eyes of every major league team out there?! Did he get injured and I missed it? Sounds more like a bunch of BS to me. Millwood could have his pick of any damn team, he doesn't need the Phillies or the crap they've been pulling aimed at hurting his image. They didn't handle that situation very well at all, and if this is the direction Baseball is headed, I'm not liking it one bit. First the Yanks pull that crap with Sheff, and then it now appears the Phils were attempting to make Millwood look bad so they could get him back for cheap! Alot of dirty dealings and scams going on, now you can ask the infamous question: "Where's the Commish during all of this crap?"

                              The Marlins will be good no matter what next year, but as I have expressed pretty plainly in this post, they have pretty much just as good a chance as the Spos, Phils, and even the METS at this point at taking home the Title. I'm going to wait until most of the deals are done and made before I pick my favorites. At this point, based on the directions the teams are taking, I'm pickin' the 'Spos or Mets for my favorites. That was the basis of the original question in this post, eh?

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                              You obviously don't know the whole story about the Millwood situation. His agent is asking for way too much money for his client and this is why there isn't any interest in him. To make matters worse his agent is Scott Boras who is Scott Rolen's agent. Anyway, the Phils aren't trying to get him for cheap because he would get a nice one year deal and then can sign with another team next year.

                              It's also plain to see that you are a Mets fan. Sorry, I can't see the Mets being the favorites in the NL East. For now the Braves are the team to beat. On paper now and based on last year, the Phils and Marlins pose the biggest threat to overturning the Braves atop the division.

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                              If the Phils wanted Millwood cheap then they wouldn't offer him arbitration. They know that if he accepts that he is going to get a hefty pay raise. If the market is so hot for Millwood then how come he hasn't received one single offer? It's possible, with the market being so cold for all free agents this winter, that Millwood will accept arbitration for a one year deal then test the market again next offseason.
                              As for the power shifting in the NL East, I believe it is. The Braves lost Sheff, Javy, and Maddux and havn't made one significant signing yet. The Marlins may have lost Lee and Pudge, but rumors are circulating about Javy landing there. With their pitching staff, they will always be competitive. The Mets have signed Kaz Matsui, but have a long ways to go before they are serious contenders. Their pitching staff, starters and bullpen, has way too many question marks in it. The Phils had the offense and are trying to sure up the pitching staff. They signed a premier closer, and traded for Milton, who has potential, but has yet to live up to it. The only thing that scares me about the Phils pitching staff is that there is no true number one. I don't even consider Millwood, if he re-signs, as a number one. Someone has to emerge from their talented group of starters and guarantee a solid outing every fifth day.
                              I really can't talk much about the Expos either. They've lost Vlad and Vazquez, and rumors are around that Vidro is next. Nick Johnson is a solid, very solid player. I like the make up of him. Rivera has yet to prove he is worthy of a starting spot in anyone's lineup.
                              The NL East seems like a race between three teams. The Braves, Phils, and Marlins. I only add the
                              Braves because they seem to step up every year. This year is going to be much harder for them because the division is so balanced. On paper, the Phils and Marlins are better than the Braves. But paper champions don't win world series titles.

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