Let's Try to Find Baseball Players Who Obviously Took Steroids but Were Never Caught

[chilli311]

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Jay Buhner.
Sorry Mr. Constanza but Steinbrenner was right on that one.
He wasn't very good early on at all then was pretty good then had 3 in a row 40+ HR seasons.

Buhner never played more than 85 games in a season before 1991, but his numbers projected him to be a 24 HR per season hitter. Then in 1995, he started batting behind Griffey, and in front of Martinez. It's hard to NOT put up great numbers when flanked by two players like that.

[ParisB]

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That is true, but does that imply that every durable and consistent player is on steroids? If we are looking for players who took steroids without accusations, the power numbers is all you can really look at.

Not at all. I'm just explaining the various benefits that doesn't simply mean bulk up and hulk smash.

Actually, injury prone players with ligament injuries and muscle pulls are more suspicious. Steroids bulk up your muscles unnaturally and make your ligaments and soft tissue muscle exert more stress.

[erich20012001]

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I agree with you guys that you shouldn't just look at power numbers and try to talk the steroid/PED talk, but I disagree with the opinion that it shouldn't be discussed at all. Bill Simmons put out a really good Grantland article that discusses whether we are ready to have these discussions yet.

If you read it, what do you guys think?

[12]

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I like him, but honestly, what planet is Bill Simmons living on? What conversations does he not think we're having? What questions haven't been asked? PED talk dominates much of sports conversations, so what the hell is he talking about?

[12]

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but I disagree with the opinion that it shouldn't be discussed at all.

Uh, we're not in danger of that happening.

Discuss the players who get caught... Sure, that's fair game. Hammer them all you want. It's deserved. But going beyond that and accusing players who have never failed a test is quite the different deal.

That's where it just turns in to pure ********.

[ParisB]

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Uh, we're not in danger of that happening.

Discuss the players who get caught... Sure, that's fair game. Hammer them all you want. It's deserved. But going beyond that and accusing players who have never failed a test is quite the different deal.

That's where it just turns in to pure ********.

Barry Bonds and Lance Armstrong never failed tests...

[DieHardYankee26]

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Barry Bonds and Lance Armstrong never failed tests...

And random speculation got us no closer to finding out if they used or not...

[dingleberryfinn]

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So what do we do with these guys when we find'em? lol

[TripleCrown9]

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So what do we do with these guys when we find'em? lol

Absolutely nothing, which is why this is stupid. If anyone listed here ever gets caught, and that's a big if, then you get to say "oh cool, I was right that one time on the internet."

[jerwoods]

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i hate to say this as a yankees fan but was the whole yankee team other then jeter mo on some sort of roids i am talking about 98 and 99 and the pitching staff wells cone hendenz

[ParisB]

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i hate to say this as a yankees fan but was the whole yankee team other then jeter mo on some sort of roids i am talking about 98 and 99 and the pitching staff wells cone hendenz

As silly as we feel making assumptions of who is/was using PEDs, it's just as silly assuming select players (usually fan favorites) are/were clean.

We just don't know, but it's clear that sports in general have a culture where gaining any competitive advantage is more so the norm than not.

[dramachild11]

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A thread about baseball players cheating? And only going as far back as the 90's? Hahahaha I love hearing this nonsense and false outrage from former players and the media that knew about all this from the very start.... The sport has always been about cheating regardless of era or position... And notice that it seems as though only hitters are the ones getting caught using so called PEDS (which is the dumbest name I've ever heard by the way since the vast majority of users seem to be scrubs anyway so how exactly is it enhancing their performance?).... The only guy I can say I know took steroids and never got caught was Brady Anderson cause he was a bum before the 50 homer season and a bum again after it 😂

[wwharton]

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A thread about baseball players cheating? And only going as far back as the 90's? Hahahaha I love hearing this nonsense and false outrage from former players and the media that knew about all this from the very start.... The sport has always been about cheating regardless of era or position... And notice that it seems as though only hitters are the ones getting caught using so called PEDS (which is the dumbest name I've ever heard by the way since the vast majority of users seem to be scrubs anyway so how exactly is it enhancing their performance?).... The only guy I can say I know took steroids and never got caught was Brady Anderson cause he was a bum before the 50 homer season and a bum again after it 😂

Bum's a bit strong. He was always a .280-.300, 20 hr, 20-40 steal guy. That's great for a leadoff hitter.

Everything else is true though, lol. Even in Baltimore it was hilarious seeing him battle Albert Belle (I think at the time) for the HR crown. That's back when the world knew all about steroids but nobody cares. I hate revisionist history (and not talking about the fans, the media, the baseball writers and the league should all be slapped).

[Sportsforever]

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Bum's a bit strong. He was always a .280-.300, 20 hr, 20-40 steal guy. That's great for a leadoff hitter.

Everything else is true though, lol. Even in Baltimore it was hilarious seeing him battle Albert Belle (I think at the time) for the HR crown. That's back when the world knew all about steroids but nobody cares. I hate revisionist history (and not talking about the fans, the media, the baseball writers and the league should all be slapped).

Let me play devil's advocate for a second though...if Brady was on 'roids, then did he suddenly just stop taking them in 1997 and beyond? The guy went from 50 back to 18 the next year and stayed in his career range the rest of his career. If he was on 'roids, why stop? There wasn't anything to stop him at the time...is it possible the guy just had a career year?

[wwharton]

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Let me play devil's advocate for a second though...if Brady was on 'roids, then did he suddenly just stop taking them in 1997 and beyond? The guy went from 50 back to 18 the next year and stayed in his career range the rest of his career. If he was on 'roids, why stop? There wasn't anything to stop him at the time...is it possible the guy just had a career year?

It's all speculation of course, but I think the rumors were so strong around him taking them and what he was doing at the lead off spot (not really matched by anyone but Rickey Henderson). I could see him backing off after that season.

I will say, Brady is about as hard of a worker as you'll find. He was just promoted in the O's organization bc of the work he's done with so many players (hitters and pitchers). Whatever he did or didn't take, I don't think it was all that went into that crazy season. But there's no way he wasn't taking something. It wasn't just his pop, he was a skinny kid who all of a sudden became ripped too.