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  • rsox
    All Star
    • Feb 2003
    • 6309

    #1

    What makes the Reds,Brewers and Pirates the worst teams in Baseball

    On Baseball Tonight last night they listed the Reds,Brewers and Pirates as the worst teams in Baseball, why?, lets take a look at these three teams and let everyone here decide which, if any of these teams are the worst in the game.

    Cincinnati Reds,
    the Reds have fallen a long way down since there 1 game playoff loss to the Mets in 1999, they brought the "Kid" home in an offseason trade with Seattle in 2000, but have not been able to stay in contention, injury's and bad pitching have plagued the team over the past 4 seasons, will 2004 be any different?.

    On the Field:
    going into spring training last year, the Reds had, what many believed could be the best offensive Outfield in Baseball with a healthy Ken Griffey Jr., Adam Dunn and Austin Kearns, but injury's ended up taking there toll and the Outfielders never really got to be in the same lineup very often,
    a year later all three are healthy again, maybe this year we'll see if they are the best hitting Outfield in the game,

    the Reds defense:
    C Jason LaRue
    1B Sean Casey
    2B D'Angelo Jimenez
    SS Barry Larkin
    3B Brandon Larson
    LF Adam Dunn
    Cf Ken Griffey Jr.
    RF Austin Kearns

    The Reds were not able to address there needs at 3B as they would have liked to, and new Reds G.M. Dan O'Brien said that Barry Larkin is the teams regular SS,

    On the Mound:
    no Reds Starter made 30 starts last season, further more no Reds pitcher won 10 games last season,
    the Reds hope that the addition of Corey Lidle can help solve both of those issues, Reds did not do much to help rebuild the staff and will try to win with what they have,

    Rotation:
    RHP Corey Lidle
    RHP Jimmy Haynes
    RHP Paul Wilson

    the final rotation spots are up for grabs, there are a lot of candidates, for the openings

    Bullpen:
    Danny Graves will resume his Closer duties after spending most of last season as a starter, the rest of the 'pen is open, many of the pitchers who don't make the rotation will probably fill out the bullpen.

    The Milwaukee Brewers:
    the Brewers have not had a winning season since 1992, realigned to the N.L. Central in 1998, in hope that changing leagues would make the team more competitive, moved into a new Ballpark, and have watched attendence drop over the past 2 seasons since the park opened, and are trying to run on a 30.million dollar payroll,
    they traded away there best overall hitter, Richie Sexson is the only Brewer in franchise history to post back to back 40+ Home Run seasons, on the bright side, they do have the runner up in last season's N.L. rookie of the year voting.

    On the Field:
    of the players acquored in the Sexson trade, 3 were Infielders giving the Brewers a whole new Infield, the are only temporary additions, and all could be dealt over the course of the season, the Brewers have some very good Prospects on the horizon, and all could be ready within the next 2 seasons.

    the Brewers defense:
    C Chad Moeller
    1B Lyle Overbay
    2B Junior Spivey
    SS Craig Counsell
    3B Wes Helms
    LF Geoff Jenkins
    CF Scott Podsednik
    RF Ben Grieve

    On the Mound:
    the Brewers rotation picture is a little clearer than that of the Reds, led by Ben Sheets, a one time former top prospect, has struggled at the big league level, he has finished amongst the N.L. leaders in losses the past 2 seasons,

    Rotation:
    RHP Ben Sheets
    RHP Matt Kinney
    LHP Doug Davis
    LHP Wayne Franklin
    LHP Chris Capuano

    Bullpen
    RHP Danny Kolb returns as the Closer, saved 21 games after assuming the role after trading Mike DeJean
    Luis Vizcaino, Dave Burba and Brooks Kieschnik are amongst the holdovers looking for spots in the 'pen.

    The Pittsburgh Pirates:
    the Pirates were once the best team in the N.L. East, winning three straigt division titles from 1990-1992, back when some guy named Bonds played in there Outfield, last season the team showed signs of life, and actually challenged for 1st place at one time, but the team traded away it's veteran players during last season, and have done little in this years free agent market, hoping to strike gold with some last minute additions, like they did with Kenny Lofton and Reggie Sanders a year ago.

    On the Field:
    this years Pirates, right now, look to be the weakest team they have assembled in recent years, and if Larry Beinfest fails to make some late improvements this team will struggle to score runs.

    the Pirates defense:
    C Jason Kendall
    1B Carlos Rivera
    2B Freddy Sanchez
    SS Jack Wilson
    3B Chris Stynes
    LF Jason Bay
    CF Tike Redman
    RF Craig Wilson

    Kendall was almost traded to the Padres, but the deal fell through, they tried to get Carlos Guillen from Seattle, but could not put together a good enough package, and after being pillaged in this years rule 5 draft, has left the team short on prospects.

    On the Mound
    the Pirates rotation may actually be there strong point, which is not saying much.

    Rotation:
    RHP Kris Benson
    RHP Kip Wells
    RHP Josh Fogg
    LHP Oliver Perez

    the 5th spot is open with about four or five pitchers competing for the job.

    Bullpen:
    Juan Acevedo is the front runner for the Closer's job this season, Acevedo saved 28 games for the Tigers two years ago, but struggled last season splitting the year between the Yankees and the Blue Jays, Brian Boehringer and Joe Beimel will also be in the 'pen, a few of the pitchers who don't win a spot as a starter should also make the bullpen.

    While it looks like the Pirates may be worse off then the other two teams, decide for yourself who the best of the worst is, and who should probably just stay home.
  • Stoud
    MVP
    • Mar 2003
    • 1259

    #2
    Re: What makes the Reds,Brewers and Pirates the worst teams in Basebal

    The best of the worst is definitely the Milwaukee Brewers. I mean, they have enough people in that lineup that I could really be frightened of. Jenkins, Overbay, Spivey, they got it done. They have a decent Rotation and they can win a few, but they aren't going to win alot.

    As for the Reds, I think it's now safe to say that the Devil Rays are way better in every aspect than the Reds are, and I NEVER thought I would say that. EVER. You've got a Center Fielder who can't seem to remain uninjured for more than one hour, let alone one day, let alone (god, must I dream?) an entire SEASON. It's as if he has glass bones or something. Ken used to be great, REALLY great, I LOVED the guy but COME ON! Samuel L. Jackson's character in Unbreakable could probably play better ball for longer at this point! I still think he could be great, but after all these injuries, it just doesn't look too good. As for the rest of the Outfield, you're trying to tell me they can take on the likes of Jose Cruz jr., Aubrey Huff, Carl Crawford, Rocco Baldelli, ect? Gimme a break. The Reds take the second spot for worst team, second for worst rotation. The Pirates take first for worst team, and the RANGERS take first for WORST rotation.

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    • Stoud
      MVP
      • Mar 2003
      • 1259

      #3
      Re: What makes the Reds,Brewers and Pirates the worst teams in Basebal

      The best of the worst is definitely the Milwaukee Brewers. I mean, they have enough people in that lineup that I could really be frightened of. Jenkins, Overbay, Spivey, they got it done. They have a decent Rotation and they can win a few, but they aren't going to win alot.

      As for the Reds, I think it's now safe to say that the Devil Rays are way better in every aspect than the Reds are, and I NEVER thought I would say that. EVER. You've got a Center Fielder who can't seem to remain uninjured for more than one hour, let alone one day, let alone (god, must I dream?) an entire SEASON. It's as if he has glass bones or something. Ken used to be great, REALLY great, I LOVED the guy but COME ON! Samuel L. Jackson's character in Unbreakable could probably play better ball for longer at this point! I still think he could be great, but after all these injuries, it just doesn't look too good. As for the rest of the Outfield, you're trying to tell me they can take on the likes of Jose Cruz jr., Aubrey Huff, Carl Crawford, Rocco Baldelli, ect? Gimme a break. The Reds take the second spot for worst team, second for worst rotation. The Pirates take first for worst team, and the RANGERS take first for WORST rotation.

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      • Stoud
        MVP
        • Mar 2003
        • 1259

        #4
        Re: What makes the Reds,Brewers and Pirates the worst teams in Basebal

        The best of the worst is definitely the Milwaukee Brewers. I mean, they have enough people in that lineup that I could really be frightened of. Jenkins, Overbay, Spivey, they got it done. They have a decent Rotation and they can win a few, but they aren't going to win alot.

        As for the Reds, I think it's now safe to say that the Devil Rays are way better in every aspect than the Reds are, and I NEVER thought I would say that. EVER. You've got a Center Fielder who can't seem to remain uninjured for more than one hour, let alone one day, let alone (god, must I dream?) an entire SEASON. It's as if he has glass bones or something. Ken used to be great, REALLY great, I LOVED the guy but COME ON! Samuel L. Jackson's character in Unbreakable could probably play better ball for longer at this point! I still think he could be great, but after all these injuries, it just doesn't look too good. As for the rest of the Outfield, you're trying to tell me they can take on the likes of Jose Cruz jr., Aubrey Huff, Carl Crawford, Rocco Baldelli, ect? Gimme a break. The Reds take the second spot for worst team, second for worst rotation. The Pirates take first for worst team, and the RANGERS take first for WORST rotation.

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        • Mr_October
          MVP
          • Mar 2003
          • 1618

          #5
          Re: What makes the Reds,Brewers and Pirates the worst teams in Basebal

          I try not to buy into the crap they say on Baseball Tonight too often. I swear to god everytime I would watch Sportscenter when the whole A-Rod to Boston thing was going on, Gammons was consistenly telling everyone the deal would get done. And so was Tim Kirchen(sp?). Half of their guesses about players going to teams are about 25% accurate. Hopefully someone will buy the Brewers and make their franchise respectable again. The Reds and Pirates are tied up in financial problems from what I have heard and read.
          Kansas City Royals MVP 2005 Dynasty... The Climb To The Top.

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          • Mr_October
            MVP
            • Mar 2003
            • 1618

            #6
            Re: What makes the Reds,Brewers and Pirates the worst teams in Basebal

            I try not to buy into the crap they say on Baseball Tonight too often. I swear to god everytime I would watch Sportscenter when the whole A-Rod to Boston thing was going on, Gammons was consistenly telling everyone the deal would get done. And so was Tim Kirchen(sp?). Half of their guesses about players going to teams are about 25% accurate. Hopefully someone will buy the Brewers and make their franchise respectable again. The Reds and Pirates are tied up in financial problems from what I have heard and read.
            Kansas City Royals MVP 2005 Dynasty... The Climb To The Top.

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            • Mr_October
              MVP
              • Mar 2003
              • 1618

              #7
              Re: What makes the Reds,Brewers and Pirates the worst teams in Basebal

              I try not to buy into the crap they say on Baseball Tonight too often. I swear to god everytime I would watch Sportscenter when the whole A-Rod to Boston thing was going on, Gammons was consistenly telling everyone the deal would get done. And so was Tim Kirchen(sp?). Half of their guesses about players going to teams are about 25% accurate. Hopefully someone will buy the Brewers and make their franchise respectable again. The Reds and Pirates are tied up in financial problems from what I have heard and read.
              Kansas City Royals MVP 2005 Dynasty... The Climb To The Top.

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              • Steelerfan2k1
                MVP
                • Aug 2002
                • 1451

                #8
                Re: What makes the Reds,Brewers and Pirates the worst teams in Basebal

                The Pirates are definitely the worst team. It is so hopeless in Pittsburgh this year, it's nt even funny.

                The best is - don't shocked if we start off 3-0 or 5-0 (we have done this a couple times the past few years) - and then people will be like "Are the Pirates for real?" Then - second that question is asked - we will go on a 12-28 "run" toward last place in the NL Central.....

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                • Steelerfan2k1
                  MVP
                  • Aug 2002
                  • 1451

                  #9
                  Re: What makes the Reds,Brewers and Pirates the worst teams in Basebal

                  The Pirates are definitely the worst team. It is so hopeless in Pittsburgh this year, it's nt even funny.

                  The best is - don't shocked if we start off 3-0 or 5-0 (we have done this a couple times the past few years) - and then people will be like "Are the Pirates for real?" Then - second that question is asked - we will go on a 12-28 "run" toward last place in the NL Central.....

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                  • Steelerfan2k1
                    MVP
                    • Aug 2002
                    • 1451

                    #10
                    Re: What makes the Reds,Brewers and Pirates the worst teams in Basebal

                    The Pirates are definitely the worst team. It is so hopeless in Pittsburgh this year, it's nt even funny.

                    The best is - don't shocked if we start off 3-0 or 5-0 (we have done this a couple times the past few years) - and then people will be like "Are the Pirates for real?" Then - second that question is asked - we will go on a 12-28 "run" toward last place in the NL Central.....

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                    • SPTO
                      binging
                      • Feb 2003
                      • 68046

                      #11
                      Re: What makes the Reds,Brewers and Pirates the worst teams in Basebal

                      I would say the Brewers are the best of the worst. In fact i've heard that they have the equivalent of a full team down in the minors just waiting to get the call up. However that's a double edged sword. If you call up every single big-time prospect at once they'll either perform very well and be a breakout team or they'll struggle and need a very good teacher for a manager. (i'd also prefer that manager to be a lot older then Ned Yost no offense to him)

                      The thing that the Brewers should do and it may make the wait a bit longer (I dunno how much longer Brewer fans can wait tho) is to bring up some guys at once, sign some cheap but good FAs and build the team slowly. Seeing as they're running on a 30 million dollar budget the new owners would now have the leverage to lock up the young studs to long term, cheapie deals like the Indians did and the Expos tried to do. I think the Brew Crew can be a good team, after all they have a fairly competent GM. (tho the assistant should never be trusted with GM duties again )

                      I just hope the new owners won't get impatatient and force Melvin to trade off the young stars for proven major league players because it'll lead to an albatross of Texas Rangers/Florida Marlins ('97) proportions.

                      Oh yeah about Ken Griffey can we say

                      Griffey=Tony Oliva?

                      Both guys had great starts to their careers and were projected to be HOFs. They were both fan favourites and were amazing at what they could do. In the end Oliva had injuries that slowed him down and he could never reach his full potential. I fear the same can happen to Junior.
                      Member of the Official OS Bills Backers Club

                      "Baseball is the most important thing that doesn't matter at all" - Robert B. Parker

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                      • SPTO
                        binging
                        • Feb 2003
                        • 68046

                        #12
                        Re: What makes the Reds,Brewers and Pirates the worst teams in Basebal

                        I would say the Brewers are the best of the worst. In fact i've heard that they have the equivalent of a full team down in the minors just waiting to get the call up. However that's a double edged sword. If you call up every single big-time prospect at once they'll either perform very well and be a breakout team or they'll struggle and need a very good teacher for a manager. (i'd also prefer that manager to be a lot older then Ned Yost no offense to him)

                        The thing that the Brewers should do and it may make the wait a bit longer (I dunno how much longer Brewer fans can wait tho) is to bring up some guys at once, sign some cheap but good FAs and build the team slowly. Seeing as they're running on a 30 million dollar budget the new owners would now have the leverage to lock up the young studs to long term, cheapie deals like the Indians did and the Expos tried to do. I think the Brew Crew can be a good team, after all they have a fairly competent GM. (tho the assistant should never be trusted with GM duties again )

                        I just hope the new owners won't get impatatient and force Melvin to trade off the young stars for proven major league players because it'll lead to an albatross of Texas Rangers/Florida Marlins ('97) proportions.

                        Oh yeah about Ken Griffey can we say

                        Griffey=Tony Oliva?

                        Both guys had great starts to their careers and were projected to be HOFs. They were both fan favourites and were amazing at what they could do. In the end Oliva had injuries that slowed him down and he could never reach his full potential. I fear the same can happen to Junior.
                        Member of the Official OS Bills Backers Club

                        "Baseball is the most important thing that doesn't matter at all" - Robert B. Parker

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                        • SPTO
                          binging
                          • Feb 2003
                          • 68046

                          #13
                          Re: What makes the Reds,Brewers and Pirates the worst teams in Basebal

                          I would say the Brewers are the best of the worst. In fact i've heard that they have the equivalent of a full team down in the minors just waiting to get the call up. However that's a double edged sword. If you call up every single big-time prospect at once they'll either perform very well and be a breakout team or they'll struggle and need a very good teacher for a manager. (i'd also prefer that manager to be a lot older then Ned Yost no offense to him)

                          The thing that the Brewers should do and it may make the wait a bit longer (I dunno how much longer Brewer fans can wait tho) is to bring up some guys at once, sign some cheap but good FAs and build the team slowly. Seeing as they're running on a 30 million dollar budget the new owners would now have the leverage to lock up the young studs to long term, cheapie deals like the Indians did and the Expos tried to do. I think the Brew Crew can be a good team, after all they have a fairly competent GM. (tho the assistant should never be trusted with GM duties again )

                          I just hope the new owners won't get impatatient and force Melvin to trade off the young stars for proven major league players because it'll lead to an albatross of Texas Rangers/Florida Marlins ('97) proportions.

                          Oh yeah about Ken Griffey can we say

                          Griffey=Tony Oliva?

                          Both guys had great starts to their careers and were projected to be HOFs. They were both fan favourites and were amazing at what they could do. In the end Oliva had injuries that slowed him down and he could never reach his full potential. I fear the same can happen to Junior.
                          Member of the Official OS Bills Backers Club

                          "Baseball is the most important thing that doesn't matter at all" - Robert B. Parker

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                          • mjb2124
                            Hall Of Fame
                            • Aug 2002
                            • 13649

                            #14
                            Re: What makes the Reds,Brewers and Pirates the worst teams in Basebal

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                            Steelerfan2k1 said:
                            The Pirates are definitely the worst team. It is so hopeless in Pittsburgh this year, it's nt even funny.

                            The best is - don't shocked if we start off 3-0 or 5-0 (we have done this a couple times the past few years) - and then people will be like "Are the Pirates for real?" Then - second that question is asked - we will go on a 12-28 "run" toward last place in the NL Central.....

                            <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                            Yep. As much as I love the Pirates, they are a sad, sad team this year. Terrible lineup, terrible bullpen, fair starting rotation (and that's if Kris Benson will pitch like he's capable of - although I think that might only happen once he's on another team).

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                            • mjb2124
                              Hall Of Fame
                              • Aug 2002
                              • 13649

                              #15
                              Re: What makes the Reds,Brewers and Pirates the worst teams in Basebal

                              </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                              Steelerfan2k1 said:
                              The Pirates are definitely the worst team. It is so hopeless in Pittsburgh this year, it's nt even funny.

                              The best is - don't shocked if we start off 3-0 or 5-0 (we have done this a couple times the past few years) - and then people will be like "Are the Pirates for real?" Then - second that question is asked - we will go on a 12-28 "run" toward last place in the NL Central.....

                              <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                              Yep. As much as I love the Pirates, they are a sad, sad team this year. Terrible lineup, terrible bullpen, fair starting rotation (and that's if Kris Benson will pitch like he's capable of - although I think that might only happen once he's on another team).

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