What is the most overrated record in MLB?

**Lex** · 02-14-2004, 01:47 PM

Re: What is the most overrated record in MLB?

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and he's talked about a lot. I wouldn't call it hype.

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Doesnt this = hype?

**Sully** · 02-14-2004, 01:50 PM

Re: What is the most overrated record in MLB?

Not really. You don't hype up players that have already proven their greatness. You hype up players who are expected to achieve greatness. That, to me, is the difference between the hype I'm talking about and the hype you are talking about.
I just don't see how you can hype a player or his records when he's been out of the game for years.
He's talked about alot because he was a great player, that's not hype. That's recognition.

**Sully** · 02-14-2004, 01:50 PM

Re: What is the most overrated record in MLB?

Not really. You don't hype up players that have already proven their greatness. You hype up players who are expected to achieve greatness. That, to me, is the difference between the hype I'm talking about and the hype you are talking about.
I just don't see how you can hype a player or his records when he's been out of the game for years.
He's talked about alot because he was a great player, that's not hype. That's recognition.

**Sully** · 02-14-2004, 01:50 PM

Re: What is the most overrated record in MLB?

Not really. You don't hype up players that have already proven their greatness. You hype up players who are expected to achieve greatness. That, to me, is the difference between the hype I'm talking about and the hype you are talking about.
I just don't see how you can hype a player or his records when he's been out of the game for years.
He's talked about alot because he was a great player, that's not hype. That's recognition.

**pol** · 02-14-2004, 01:56 PM

Re: What is the most overrated record in MLB?

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Strikeouts by a batter in a season. Bobby Bonds has the record with 189, but also hit .300 that season with 48 SBs, 200 hits, 26 HRs and 77 walks -- hardly a bad year.

Too that effect, strikeouts by a pitcher are overrated when compared to ERA and whip.

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i disagree.. ERA and whip can both be affected by how rangy a defense is behind a player.. while strikeouts is only the pitcher vs the batter

**pol** · 02-14-2004, 01:56 PM

Re: What is the most overrated record in MLB?

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Strikeouts by a batter in a season. Bobby Bonds has the record with 189, but also hit .300 that season with 48 SBs, 200 hits, 26 HRs and 77 walks -- hardly a bad year.

Too that effect, strikeouts by a pitcher are overrated when compared to ERA and whip.

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i disagree.. ERA and whip can both be affected by how rangy a defense is behind a player.. while strikeouts is only the pitcher vs the batter

**pol** · 02-14-2004, 01:56 PM

Re: What is the most overrated record in MLB?

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Strikeouts by a batter in a season. Bobby Bonds has the record with 189, but also hit .300 that season with 48 SBs, 200 hits, 26 HRs and 77 walks -- hardly a bad year.

Too that effect, strikeouts by a pitcher are overrated when compared to ERA and whip.

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i disagree.. ERA and whip can both be affected by how rangy a defense is behind a player.. while strikeouts is only the pitcher vs the batter

**Sully** · 02-14-2004, 01:58 PM

Re: What is the most overrated record in MLB?

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Strikeouts by a batter in a season. Bobby Bonds has the record with 189, but also hit .300 that season with 48 SBs, 200 hits, 26 HRs and 77 walks -- hardly a bad year.

Too that effect, strikeouts by a pitcher are overrated when compared to ERA and whip.

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i disagree.. ERA and whip can both be affected by how rangy a defense is behind a player.. while strikeouts is only the pitcher vs the batter

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**Sully** · 02-14-2004, 01:58 PM

Re: What is the most overrated record in MLB?

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Strikeouts by a batter in a season. Bobby Bonds has the record with 189, but also hit .300 that season with 48 SBs, 200 hits, 26 HRs and 77 walks -- hardly a bad year.

Too that effect, strikeouts by a pitcher are overrated when compared to ERA and whip.

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i disagree.. ERA and whip can both be affected by how rangy a defense is behind a player.. while strikeouts is only the pitcher vs the batter

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**Sully** · 02-14-2004, 01:58 PM

Re: What is the most overrated record in MLB?

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Strikeouts by a batter in a season. Bobby Bonds has the record with 189, but also hit .300 that season with 48 SBs, 200 hits, 26 HRs and 77 walks -- hardly a bad year.

Too that effect, strikeouts by a pitcher are overrated when compared to ERA and whip.

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i disagree.. ERA and whip can both be affected by how rangy a defense is behind a player.. while strikeouts is only the pitcher vs the batter

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**pol** · 02-14-2004, 01:59 PM

Re: What is the most overrated record in MLB?

pitchers wins is overrated in my opinion.

thinking about it just now.. losses are probably a better indicator.. it could mean they have less poor starts.. while you can get an 8-7 win.. while pitching poorly.

**pol** · 02-14-2004, 01:59 PM

Re: What is the most overrated record in MLB?

pitchers wins is overrated in my opinion.

thinking about it just now.. losses are probably a better indicator.. it could mean they have less poor starts.. while you can get an 8-7 win.. while pitching poorly.

**pol** · 02-14-2004, 01:59 PM

Re: What is the most overrated record in MLB?

pitchers wins is overrated in my opinion.

thinking about it just now.. losses are probably a better indicator.. it could mean they have less poor starts.. while you can get an 8-7 win.. while pitching poorly.

**Lex** · 02-14-2004, 02:12 PM

Re: What is the most overrated record in MLB?

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Not really. You don't hype up players that have already proven their greatness. You hype up players who are expected to achieve greatness. That, to me, is the difference between the hype I'm talking about and the hype you are talking about.
I just don't see how you can hype a player or his records when he's been out of the game for years.
He's talked about alot because he was a great player, that's not hype. That's recognition.

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One thing to consider is who has been driving such discussion. For example, did you ever see the movie 61*? Do you remember the scenes where the sports writers and Ford Fricke were meeting about how to treat the record Maris would eventually break? Do you remember the kind of reverance for Ruth that existed that compelled such bias? If for decades there have been members of the press pushing certain records in the effort of demonstrating the greatness of Joe D, I think that could easily be considered over-hyped. I agree that he was great. I also dont think he needs a trumped up record as proof. If the media were to hype one of his records it should have been his HR:K.

Again, I really do think the 56 game hitting streak is overhyped when you really think about it. Lets assume Joe D had 92 hits during his streak ( I think he hit aound .410*56*4 AB/gm). Lets also assume that Tony Gwynn over 56 games at one time had 100 hits. Does it really matter how the hits were distributed; does it really matter that Joe D's hits were spread out over each game? The 56 game hitting streak is interesting in the sense that its an anomaly but I dont think its terribly important in a bottom line sense.

**Lex** · 02-14-2004, 02:12 PM

Re: What is the most overrated record in MLB?

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Not really. You don't hype up players that have already proven their greatness. You hype up players who are expected to achieve greatness. That, to me, is the difference between the hype I'm talking about and the hype you are talking about.
I just don't see how you can hype a player or his records when he's been out of the game for years.
He's talked about alot because he was a great player, that's not hype. That's recognition.

<hr /></blockquote>

One thing to consider is who has been driving such discussion. For example, did you ever see the movie 61*? Do you remember the scenes where the sports writers and Ford Fricke were meeting about how to treat the record Maris would eventually break? Do you remember the kind of reverance for Ruth that existed that compelled such bias? If for decades there have been members of the press pushing certain records in the effort of demonstrating the greatness of Joe D, I think that could easily be considered over-hyped. I agree that he was great. I also dont think he needs a trumped up record as proof. If the media were to hype one of his records it should have been his HR:K.

Again, I really do think the 56 game hitting streak is overhyped when you really think about it. Lets assume Joe D had 92 hits during his streak ( I think he hit aound .410*56*4 AB/gm). Lets also assume that Tony Gwynn over 56 games at one time had 100 hits. Does it really matter how the hits were distributed; does it really matter that Joe D's hits were spread out over each game? The 56 game hitting streak is interesting in the sense that its an anomaly but I dont think its terribly important in a bottom line sense.

What is the most overrated record in MLB?

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