4 man vs 5 man rotations, which is better?

[samjjones]

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cub said:
Except in short series.

Man, if I'm the Cubs, I really like my chances in a seven-game series with a four-man rotation of Prior, Wood, Maddux, and Zambrano. You'd have to face those first three guys twice.

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Or toss in Clement. Who I actually like better than Zambrano. But either or is not a bad back end to the rotation in a series.

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If I'm the Cubs, why even pursue Maddux? They already have Juan Cruz/Angel Guzman/Chad Blassko in the wings. Unless they think they can get another bat for them. Its a shame, because the Cubs have a ton of MLB quality arms, but Dusty is absolutely ruin for young pitchers.

[cub]

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samjjones said:
If I'm the Cubs, why even pursue Maddux? They already have Juan Cruz/Angel Guzman/Chad Blassko in the wings. Unless they think they can get another bat for them. Its a shame, because the Cubs have a ton of MLB quality arms, but Dusty is absolutely ruin for young pitchers.

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They value him as both a consistent starter and a coach for their younger pitchers.

bkrich - I saw a stat the other day that really surprised me: Clement is fourth in the NL in strikeouts over the last two years. Clement can go out there and shut any team in the majors down, or he can go out and give up 10 runs to the Brewers. He's the Forrest Gump of pitchers, ya never know wat yur gonna get. Still, I think Zambrano will eventually be better.

[cub]

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samjjones said:
If I'm the Cubs, why even pursue Maddux? They already have Juan Cruz/Angel Guzman/Chad Blassko in the wings. Unless they think they can get another bat for them. Its a shame, because the Cubs have a ton of MLB quality arms, but Dusty is absolutely ruin for young pitchers.

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They value him as both a consistent starter and a coach for their younger pitchers.

bkrich - I saw a stat the other day that really surprised me: Clement is fourth in the NL in strikeouts over the last two years. Clement can go out there and shut any team in the majors down, or he can go out and give up 10 runs to the Brewers. He's the Forrest Gump of pitchers, ya never know wat yur gonna get. Still, I think Zambrano will eventually be better.

[cub]

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samjjones said:
If I'm the Cubs, why even pursue Maddux? They already have Juan Cruz/Angel Guzman/Chad Blassko in the wings. Unless they think they can get another bat for them. Its a shame, because the Cubs have a ton of MLB quality arms, but Dusty is absolutely ruin for young pitchers.

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They value him as both a consistent starter and a coach for their younger pitchers.

bkrich - I saw a stat the other day that really surprised me: Clement is fourth in the NL in strikeouts over the last two years. Clement can go out there and shut any team in the majors down, or he can go out and give up 10 runs to the Brewers. He's the Forrest Gump of pitchers, ya never know wat yur gonna get. Still, I think Zambrano will eventually be better.

[bkrich83]

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cub said:
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samjjones said:
If I'm the Cubs, why even pursue Maddux? They already have Juan Cruz/Angel Guzman/Chad Blassko in the wings. Unless they think they can get another bat for them. Its a shame, because the Cubs have a ton of MLB quality arms, but Dusty is absolutely ruin for young pitchers.

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They value him as both a consistent starter and a coach for their younger pitchers.

bkrich - I saw a stat the other day that really surprised me: Clement is fourth in the NL in strikeouts over the last two years. Clement can go out there and shut any team in the majors down, or he can go out and give up 10 runs to the Brewers. He's the Forrest Gump of pitchers, ya never know wat yur gonna get. Still, I think Zambrano will eventually be better.

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He was the same way here. His issue is control. His pitches have so much movement, it's difficult for him to locate pitches. He's very much the same way Kevin Brown was when he was young. If he ever is able to consistently spot his pitches he could be a dominant young pitcher.

[bkrich83]

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cub said:
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samjjones said:
If I'm the Cubs, why even pursue Maddux? They already have Juan Cruz/Angel Guzman/Chad Blassko in the wings. Unless they think they can get another bat for them. Its a shame, because the Cubs have a ton of MLB quality arms, but Dusty is absolutely ruin for young pitchers.

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They value him as both a consistent starter and a coach for their younger pitchers.

bkrich - I saw a stat the other day that really surprised me: Clement is fourth in the NL in strikeouts over the last two years. Clement can go out there and shut any team in the majors down, or he can go out and give up 10 runs to the Brewers. He's the Forrest Gump of pitchers, ya never know wat yur gonna get. Still, I think Zambrano will eventually be better.

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He was the same way here. His issue is control. His pitches have so much movement, it's difficult for him to locate pitches. He's very much the same way Kevin Brown was when he was young. If he ever is able to consistently spot his pitches he could be a dominant young pitcher.

[bkrich83]

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cub said:
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samjjones said:
If I'm the Cubs, why even pursue Maddux? They already have Juan Cruz/Angel Guzman/Chad Blassko in the wings. Unless they think they can get another bat for them. Its a shame, because the Cubs have a ton of MLB quality arms, but Dusty is absolutely ruin for young pitchers.

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They value him as both a consistent starter and a coach for their younger pitchers.

bkrich - I saw a stat the other day that really surprised me: Clement is fourth in the NL in strikeouts over the last two years. Clement can go out there and shut any team in the majors down, or he can go out and give up 10 runs to the Brewers. He's the Forrest Gump of pitchers, ya never know wat yur gonna get. Still, I think Zambrano will eventually be better.

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He was the same way here. His issue is control. His pitches have so much movement, it's difficult for him to locate pitches. He's very much the same way Kevin Brown was when he was young. If he ever is able to consistently spot his pitches he could be a dominant young pitcher.

[SPTO]

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Ah the 4 man rotation.....

I doubt we'll ever see it in the major leagues again on a regular basis. (only in the playoffs) The Blue Jays tried the 4 man rotation idea for a bit last season but the only pitcher that performed well in that stretch was Roy Halladay who was actually really in favour of the idea. Cory Lidle bitched and complained about it while pitching like crap. Unknown to Jays fans was that he was hiding an injury from the team.

I wish baseball was popular like it used to be because kids used to throw the ol' baseball around basically everyday and their arm strength would be built up over time. Instead guys who could be great pitchers are often babied into the Bigs or put out there to pitch til their arms fall off. There doesn't seem to be a middle ground.

Oh well....

[SPTO]

Re: 4 man vs 5 man rotations, which is better?

Ah the 4 man rotation.....

I doubt we'll ever see it in the major leagues again on a regular basis. (only in the playoffs) The Blue Jays tried the 4 man rotation idea for a bit last season but the only pitcher that performed well in that stretch was Roy Halladay who was actually really in favour of the idea. Cory Lidle bitched and complained about it while pitching like crap. Unknown to Jays fans was that he was hiding an injury from the team.

I wish baseball was popular like it used to be because kids used to throw the ol' baseball around basically everyday and their arm strength would be built up over time. Instead guys who could be great pitchers are often babied into the Bigs or put out there to pitch til their arms fall off. There doesn't seem to be a middle ground.

Oh well....

[SPTO]

Re: 4 man vs 5 man rotations, which is better?

Ah the 4 man rotation.....

I doubt we'll ever see it in the major leagues again on a regular basis. (only in the playoffs) The Blue Jays tried the 4 man rotation idea for a bit last season but the only pitcher that performed well in that stretch was Roy Halladay who was actually really in favour of the idea. Cory Lidle bitched and complained about it while pitching like crap. Unknown to Jays fans was that he was hiding an injury from the team.

I wish baseball was popular like it used to be because kids used to throw the ol' baseball around basically everyday and their arm strength would be built up over time. Instead guys who could be great pitchers are often babied into the Bigs or put out there to pitch til their arms fall off. There doesn't seem to be a middle ground.

Oh well....

[samjjones]

Re: 4 man vs 5 man rotations, which is better?

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SportsmanTO said:
Ah the 4 man rotation.....

I doubt we'll ever see it in the major leagues again on a regular basis. (only in the playoffs) The Blue Jays tried the 4 man rotation idea for a bit last season but the only pitcher that performed well in that stretch was Roy Halladay who was actually really in favour of the idea. Cory Lidle bitched and complained about it while pitching like crap. Unknown to Jays fans was that he was hiding an injury from the team.

I wish baseball was popular like it used to be because kids used to throw the ol' baseball around basically everyday and their arm strength would be built up over time. Instead guys who could be great pitchers are often babied into the Bigs or put out there to pitch til their arms fall off. There doesn't seem to be a middle ground.

Oh well....

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I think some high school and college teams absolutely abuse their pitchers, which leads to early injury. When I see 18 year old pitchers making 28 starts and pitching 150+ innings, I wish I could take a Vegas prop bet that they will get injured. Halladay, Buehrle, and Zito will go down in the next 2-3 years.

[samjjones]

Re: 4 man vs 5 man rotations, which is better?

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SportsmanTO said:
Ah the 4 man rotation.....

I doubt we'll ever see it in the major leagues again on a regular basis. (only in the playoffs) The Blue Jays tried the 4 man rotation idea for a bit last season but the only pitcher that performed well in that stretch was Roy Halladay who was actually really in favour of the idea. Cory Lidle bitched and complained about it while pitching like crap. Unknown to Jays fans was that he was hiding an injury from the team.

I wish baseball was popular like it used to be because kids used to throw the ol' baseball around basically everyday and their arm strength would be built up over time. Instead guys who could be great pitchers are often babied into the Bigs or put out there to pitch til their arms fall off. There doesn't seem to be a middle ground.

Oh well....

<hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

I think some high school and college teams absolutely abuse their pitchers, which leads to early injury. When I see 18 year old pitchers making 28 starts and pitching 150+ innings, I wish I could take a Vegas prop bet that they will get injured. Halladay, Buehrle, and Zito will go down in the next 2-3 years.

[samjjones]

Re: 4 man vs 5 man rotations, which is better?

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SportsmanTO said:
Ah the 4 man rotation.....

I doubt we'll ever see it in the major leagues again on a regular basis. (only in the playoffs) The Blue Jays tried the 4 man rotation idea for a bit last season but the only pitcher that performed well in that stretch was Roy Halladay who was actually really in favour of the idea. Cory Lidle bitched and complained about it while pitching like crap. Unknown to Jays fans was that he was hiding an injury from the team.

I wish baseball was popular like it used to be because kids used to throw the ol' baseball around basically everyday and their arm strength would be built up over time. Instead guys who could be great pitchers are often babied into the Bigs or put out there to pitch til their arms fall off. There doesn't seem to be a middle ground.

Oh well....

<hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

I think some high school and college teams absolutely abuse their pitchers, which leads to early injury. When I see 18 year old pitchers making 28 starts and pitching 150+ innings, I wish I could take a Vegas prop bet that they will get injured. Halladay, Buehrle, and Zito will go down in the next 2-3 years.

[SPTO]

Re: 4 man vs 5 man rotations, which is better?

Halladay may have an injury blip in his career coming soon but he's basically in the mold of Curt Schilling who is his mentor out of all the pitchers in the League today. They're actually amicable towards each other as both have talked to each other about pitching and mechanics etc etc. Halladay will be fine as he doesn't throw 150 pitches a game. Tho at times he does get into the 120 mark but he's not nearly as abused as say the Chicago Cubs rotation are.

[SPTO]

Re: 4 man vs 5 man rotations, which is better?

Halladay may have an injury blip in his career coming soon but he's basically in the mold of Curt Schilling who is his mentor out of all the pitchers in the League today. They're actually amicable towards each other as both have talked to each other about pitching and mechanics etc etc. Halladay will be fine as he doesn't throw 150 pitches a game. Tho at times he does get into the 120 mark but he's not nearly as abused as say the Chicago Cubs rotation are.