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  • Freelance
    Banned
    • Jul 2002
    • 7021

    #1

    We should kill baseball altogether, then bring it back in five years

    The effect of this steroids scandal on baseball should be enormous.

    Sadly, I doubt it will be.

    Consider the HR chase between Sosa and McGwire now. For that matter, almost all of the big HR hitters over the past 10-15 years look like they're roided-out bigtime.

    How many HR titles would A-Rod have won if his competition wasn't on the juice? And is Roger Maris still the HR season champ? In my eyes, yes he is.

    The illegitimacy of baseball continues.

    We've got a team spending more on its roster than than 5 or 6 team rosters combined. We've got players injecting steroids AND using corked bats. We've got an all-time great betting on baseball from the dugout. We've got baseballs built to fly 20 feet further and fences drawn in 20 feet closer. We've got a strikezone the size of an index card. And we've got watered-down pitching from an over-expanded league.

    Baseball is in shambles. And neither the owners or the players seem to want to do a damn thing about it.

    I hardly feel the need to watch anymore. I wish it would just go away and come back down the road in a form much closer to its heritage.
  • SPTO
    binging
    • Feb 2003
    • 68046

    #2
    Re: We should kill baseball altogether, then bring it back in five years

    Sadly I agree with most of what you said. One of my favourite sports has sunk to the lowest of lows. In many respects this era is WORSE then 1919.

    You do know if the sport were to be disbanded that some players would just set up a players league? I can't imagine a whole summer void of the sounds of baseball. I just wish someone would kick out these steroid freaks and make the game pure again.

    Sadly it won't happen.

    We mourn baseball....

    BTW If I see KEN BURNS BASEBALL on tv before the season starts i'll just cry.
    Member of the Official OS Bills Backers Club

    "Baseball is the most important thing that doesn't matter at all" - Robert B. Parker

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    • SPTO
      binging
      • Feb 2003
      • 68046

      #3
      Re: We should kill baseball altogether, then bring it back in five years

      Sadly I agree with most of what you said. One of my favourite sports has sunk to the lowest of lows. In many respects this era is WORSE then 1919.

      You do know if the sport were to be disbanded that some players would just set up a players league? I can't imagine a whole summer void of the sounds of baseball. I just wish someone would kick out these steroid freaks and make the game pure again.

      Sadly it won't happen.

      We mourn baseball....

      BTW If I see KEN BURNS BASEBALL on tv before the season starts i'll just cry.
      Member of the Official OS Bills Backers Club

      "Baseball is the most important thing that doesn't matter at all" - Robert B. Parker

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      • SPTO
        binging
        • Feb 2003
        • 68046

        #4
        Re: We should kill baseball altogether, then bring it back in five years

        Sadly I agree with most of what you said. One of my favourite sports has sunk to the lowest of lows. In many respects this era is WORSE then 1919.

        You do know if the sport were to be disbanded that some players would just set up a players league? I can't imagine a whole summer void of the sounds of baseball. I just wish someone would kick out these steroid freaks and make the game pure again.

        Sadly it won't happen.

        We mourn baseball....

        BTW If I see KEN BURNS BASEBALL on tv before the season starts i'll just cry.
        Member of the Official OS Bills Backers Club

        "Baseball is the most important thing that doesn't matter at all" - Robert B. Parker

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        • cub
          MVP
          • Mar 2003
          • 1126

          #5
          Re: We should kill baseball altogether, then bring it back in five years

          Sosa hasn't been named in any of these allegations.

          He got big in his mid-20s, years before he started hitting a lot of homers.

          Bonds got big in his late 30s and immediately hit 70 homers.

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          • cub
            MVP
            • Mar 2003
            • 1126

            #6
            Re: We should kill baseball altogether, then bring it back in five years

            Sosa hasn't been named in any of these allegations.

            He got big in his mid-20s, years before he started hitting a lot of homers.

            Bonds got big in his late 30s and immediately hit 70 homers.

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            • cub
              MVP
              • Mar 2003
              • 1126

              #7
              Re: We should kill baseball altogether, then bring it back in five years

              Sosa hasn't been named in any of these allegations.

              He got big in his mid-20s, years before he started hitting a lot of homers.

              Bonds got big in his late 30s and immediately hit 70 homers.

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              • BigRed
                MVP
                • May 2003
                • 1683

                #8
                Re: We should kill baseball altogether, then bring it back in five years

                I think you might be jumping the gun a bit here. Especially, when most of the problems that you mentioned associated with baseball are associated with all other professional sports.

                Drug/steroid use: Don't forget football and basketball
                Gambling: It's everywhere, including college
                Spending discrepencies: So does hockey and basketball (even with a cap)
                Equipment: Include golf and hockey
                Watered down leagues: Football, Hockey, Basketball all are guilty and basketball is adding yet another team.
                Poor officiating: Ask football, basketball, hockey and college football about theirs

                Look, all sports are different now. They make more money (owners AND players). And we pay more attention to it and demand more from our teams.

                Sure, baseball has it's problems, but it's not as bad (game-wise) as the NHL and NBA. And it doesn't have the problems with it's players that the NBA does either.

                And how many NFL players are in prison right now? I can name two off the top of my head (Bam Morris and Ray Carruth).

                Bottom line, you can say what you will about how bad baseball is and how bad the players are, but you're saying this and ignoring the guys in the other leagues.

                Do we need to fix baseball? Yes. Do we need to jump off a cliff? No.
                Pecos Pete

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                • BigRed
                  MVP
                  • May 2003
                  • 1683

                  #9
                  Re: We should kill baseball altogether, then bring it back in five years

                  I think you might be jumping the gun a bit here. Especially, when most of the problems that you mentioned associated with baseball are associated with all other professional sports.

                  Drug/steroid use: Don't forget football and basketball
                  Gambling: It's everywhere, including college
                  Spending discrepencies: So does hockey and basketball (even with a cap)
                  Equipment: Include golf and hockey
                  Watered down leagues: Football, Hockey, Basketball all are guilty and basketball is adding yet another team.
                  Poor officiating: Ask football, basketball, hockey and college football about theirs

                  Look, all sports are different now. They make more money (owners AND players). And we pay more attention to it and demand more from our teams.

                  Sure, baseball has it's problems, but it's not as bad (game-wise) as the NHL and NBA. And it doesn't have the problems with it's players that the NBA does either.

                  And how many NFL players are in prison right now? I can name two off the top of my head (Bam Morris and Ray Carruth).

                  Bottom line, you can say what you will about how bad baseball is and how bad the players are, but you're saying this and ignoring the guys in the other leagues.

                  Do we need to fix baseball? Yes. Do we need to jump off a cliff? No.
                  Pecos Pete

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                  • BigRed
                    MVP
                    • May 2003
                    • 1683

                    #10
                    Re: We should kill baseball altogether, then bring it back in five years

                    I think you might be jumping the gun a bit here. Especially, when most of the problems that you mentioned associated with baseball are associated with all other professional sports.

                    Drug/steroid use: Don't forget football and basketball
                    Gambling: It's everywhere, including college
                    Spending discrepencies: So does hockey and basketball (even with a cap)
                    Equipment: Include golf and hockey
                    Watered down leagues: Football, Hockey, Basketball all are guilty and basketball is adding yet another team.
                    Poor officiating: Ask football, basketball, hockey and college football about theirs

                    Look, all sports are different now. They make more money (owners AND players). And we pay more attention to it and demand more from our teams.

                    Sure, baseball has it's problems, but it's not as bad (game-wise) as the NHL and NBA. And it doesn't have the problems with it's players that the NBA does either.

                    And how many NFL players are in prison right now? I can name two off the top of my head (Bam Morris and Ray Carruth).

                    Bottom line, you can say what you will about how bad baseball is and how bad the players are, but you're saying this and ignoring the guys in the other leagues.

                    Do we need to fix baseball? Yes. Do we need to jump off a cliff? No.
                    Pecos Pete

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                    • Freelance
                      Banned
                      • Jul 2002
                      • 7021

                      #11
                      Re: We should kill baseball altogether, then bring it back in five years

                      </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                      cub said:
                      Sosa hasn't been named in any of these allegations.

                      He got big in his mid-20s, years before he started hitting a lot of homers.

                      Bonds got big in his late 30s and immediately hit 70 homers.

                      <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                      Sosa was a wiry beanpole in Texas who hit for average. Now, he's bodybuilding competition worthy.

                      Just look at his forehead and his face. He looks like an entirely different person than when he was 21.

                      He's probably the biggest offender of all. He has 1/10th of Bonds talent.

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                      • Freelance
                        Banned
                        • Jul 2002
                        • 7021

                        #12
                        Re: We should kill baseball altogether, then bring it back in five years

                        </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                        cub said:
                        Sosa hasn't been named in any of these allegations.

                        He got big in his mid-20s, years before he started hitting a lot of homers.

                        Bonds got big in his late 30s and immediately hit 70 homers.

                        <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                        Sosa was a wiry beanpole in Texas who hit for average. Now, he's bodybuilding competition worthy.

                        Just look at his forehead and his face. He looks like an entirely different person than when he was 21.

                        He's probably the biggest offender of all. He has 1/10th of Bonds talent.

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                        • Freelance
                          Banned
                          • Jul 2002
                          • 7021

                          #13
                          Re: We should kill baseball altogether, then bring it back in five years

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                          cub said:
                          Sosa hasn't been named in any of these allegations.

                          He got big in his mid-20s, years before he started hitting a lot of homers.

                          Bonds got big in his late 30s and immediately hit 70 homers.

                          <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                          Sosa was a wiry beanpole in Texas who hit for average. Now, he's bodybuilding competition worthy.

                          Just look at his forehead and his face. He looks like an entirely different person than when he was 21.

                          He's probably the biggest offender of all. He has 1/10th of Bonds talent.

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                          • cub
                            MVP
                            • Mar 2003
                            • 1126

                            #14
                            Re: We should kill baseball altogether, then bring it back in five years

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                            Erod said:
                            </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                            cub said:
                            Sosa hasn't been named in any of these allegations.

                            He got big in his mid-20s, years before he started hitting a lot of homers.

                            Bonds got big in his late 30s and immediately hit 70 homers.

                            <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                            Sosa was a wiry beanpole in Texas who hit for average. Now, he's bodybuilding competition worthy.

                            <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                            He was also 17.

                            Yes, he got bigger in his 20s, but he still hit 30 HRs and struck out 200 times every year until 98. In 1998, he was the same size as 97 and 96. But he changed his stance and his approach to hitting and had the big HR season.

                            </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                            Erod said:
                            He looks like an entirely different person than when he was 21.

                            <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                            I'm Sosa's age, and so do I.

                            </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                            Erod said:
                            He's probably the biggest offender of all. He has 1/10th of Bonds talent.

                            <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                            You mean Barry "I've been implicated in a steroids ring and Sammy Sosa hasn't" Bonds?

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                            • cub
                              MVP
                              • Mar 2003
                              • 1126

                              #15
                              Re: We should kill baseball altogether, then bring it back in five years

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                              Erod said:
                              </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                              cub said:
                              Sosa hasn't been named in any of these allegations.

                              He got big in his mid-20s, years before he started hitting a lot of homers.

                              Bonds got big in his late 30s and immediately hit 70 homers.

                              <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                              Sosa was a wiry beanpole in Texas who hit for average. Now, he's bodybuilding competition worthy.

                              <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                              He was also 17.

                              Yes, he got bigger in his 20s, but he still hit 30 HRs and struck out 200 times every year until 98. In 1998, he was the same size as 97 and 96. But he changed his stance and his approach to hitting and had the big HR season.

                              </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                              Erod said:
                              He looks like an entirely different person than when he was 21.

                              <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                              I'm Sosa's age, and so do I.

                              </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                              Erod said:
                              He's probably the biggest offender of all. He has 1/10th of Bonds talent.

                              <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                              You mean Barry "I've been implicated in a steroids ring and Sammy Sosa hasn't" Bonds?

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