2013-14 Hot Stove League Thread

[AC]

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I don't think the Rays would want a first baseman that struggles to post a .300 OBP that's going to make a ton of arb money due to sexy home run totals.

To be fair, Trumbo is a useful player in his own right who can hit for a good deal of power. He's an above average player, he just doesn't belong in a Price deal and Bourjos probably doesn't either. I don't see the Angels and Rays being a fit atm.

[Chaos81]

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I know you'd be stupid not to 'ask' for more than you really think you can get, but this is nuts.

Free-agent right-hander Ervin Santana is seeking more than $100 million on a five-year deal, and righty Ricky Nolasco $80 million over the same term, according to major league sources.

[AC]

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Jays fans have been largely supportive of signing the career 100 xFIP- Santana. Hopefully this asking price will not only change their minds but remove a lot of possibility in us going after him.

[Travis40]

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The Rangers extended Martin Perez. The deal was 4 years, $12.5 million with 3 club options. Great deal for Texas.

[SPTO]

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Jays fans have been largely supportive of signing the career 100 xFIP- Santana. Hopefully this asking price will not only change their minds but remove a lot of possibility in us going after him.

I was never interested in Santana.

I've been hearing from some folks that the Jays should go after Saltalamachia (my one and only time I will try to type his full last name) and that idea mortifies me. I hope they don't touch him because while he puts up good offensive numbers his defense at the plate sucks. (though not as bad as Arencibia)

[legacyme3]

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For the record it's Saltalamacchia. Having him as our catcher for the last few years has made spelling his name an absolute necessity.

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Also, you don't want Salty, his defensive game as said is terrible, and his offensive game is DECEPTIVELY good. Aside from last season (the best of his career, where he batted .273/.338/.466), he's been a .230/.290/.450 hitter. Powerful, sure, but really not that good at getting on base or hitting the ball with any regularity. Smart money says he won't replicate his career year next year.

Granted, he's still an average to above average catcher depending on the year (offensively) and I'd rather the Sox try to keep him anyways. Because I don't like the idea of changing who our catcher is given all the external options available. Either way, I can't wait for Vazquez and Swihart....

[AC]

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Signing Salty would be a pretty bad buy-high. He obviously hasn't had a 50-point true talent change in his BABIP and aside from this year he's never actually been an above average hitter. Unfortunately steamer doesn't have projections for him up but he wouldn't be the best signing.

My friend heard the Jays were in on McCann at 3/45 with two option years. Until I hear where he gets that from I don't believe it, but oh man that would be awesome.

[55]

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The Rays need a power hitting lefty to sandwich with Longoria/Myers.

Mark Trumbo is not a fit.

Although getting a catcher that isn't a total offensive liability would also be great.

The cost of Price is going to be two solid every day players and two good prospects.

I don't know who can offer that but I can't see the Rays taking any less.

[JODYE]

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So Rick Renteria is the new Cubs manager...

Who!? As a Chicago kid that grew up on the Cubs, I WANT to see them do well. But letting Grace and Maddux walk took me over to the White Sox. But I still care. With that said: WHO!?!? Typical Cubs. And all the talk sounds EXACTLY like the Sveum talk...

Yawn. But Cub fan will keep buying in.

So, what can you Padre fans tell me about this dude?

You're overlooking the situation the Cubs are in with this assessment. They are not in a position to contend, so why go out and get a big name manager when there isn't any talent to manage.

This is a low risk, high reward type of deal. If he overachieves and gets players motivated, they can keep him around and give him a chance to take them to the next level, and if the Cubs blow, which is expected, he is expendable. Just as Quade was, just as Sveum was and the same goes for Renteria.

If you're concerned about the Cubs, be upset that they traded DeJesus for peanuts or something along those lines.

I don't know. The manager has less of a impact on the development of players than the coaches. I, personally, think Castro and Rizzo are a little over-hyped, but I could be expecting someone with the impact of Mike Trout...

But, yeah, I hear you.

They might be over-hyped to an extent but the talent is there. It was also well documented that Sveum was directly involved in amending their approaches at the plate. One of the things he supposedly did well up until his tenure with the Cubs. Had Rizzo trying to play golf and completely handicapped Castro in terms of his freedom to swing away. Guy comes in in his first year and leads the NL in hits and you want to completely change his approach. Makes no sense to me.

[rdnk]

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Ervin Santana is a roller coaster. Only once has he put together back to back seasons with 200 IP (and an ERA under 4, for whatever that's worth). His career HR/9 of 1.22 makes me nervous. In a small ballpark like Toronto he's going to be eaten alive. Unless he's made changes to his approach I don't think his 46% GB rate is sustainable. I wouldn't touch him.

I like Nolasco better. Since 2008 he's started 31 games each year except in 2010. He's back to striking out guys and he's never been a walk machine. His xFIP has been under 3.7 every year since 2008 except that forgettable 2012. He's a pretty sure bet for 2.5-3 WAR every year with an upside of 4. I don't think he'll get 80 M though, probably something closer to what Edwin Jackson got last year (4 years, 52 M). He won't require a draft pick either.

[legacyme3]

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The cost of Price is going to be two solid every day players and two good prospects.

I don't know who can offer that but I can't see the Rays taking any less.

I hope nobody pays that price. Price is great, but that's an awful lot to give up, even for an ace.

Plus, it's obvious the Rays won't be able to keep him long term once he hits Free Agency shortly. If teams are smart, and want Price, they'll cut costs where they can and just try to make a splash when he's a free agent. Sure you risk losing him because other teams may decide trading 2 solid every day players and 2 prospects of good value is a good idea for the future of their franchise.... but at that price, I can't justify it.

One of the few (ironic) fits that "could" afford to give the Rays that haul are the Red Sox, but I really hope Ben proves he's smarter than that. Price is talented, but we have enough pitchers to begin with, a logjam even. And I don't want to strengthen a division rival long term. It doesn't benefit us to help the Rays out.

Outside of the Red Sox...

Well, if I stretch it, I guess I could say the Astros, but they won't make a move. They can trade 2 solid every day players (They have like what, 3?) and not get worse really, as well as adding in the prospects. It's just an amusing thought, and one that bears no actual thought.

Maybe the Rangers, they have said Kinsler, Profar, or Andrus are available, and that could be of benefit to the Rays. And they have some prospects worth checking out. I think I like them best as a logical fit.

Nationals? They could be a fit couldn't they? They have offensive pieces they could afford to throw overboard, and their prospect system isn't barren. And if they could swing AJ Cole in the trade, that would be huge.

I don't know if they'd be willing to spend big on a future Price contract, but maybe winning will compel ownership to open their pockets further... if so, the Pirates could be an interesting fit, they have a deep enough farm system to get rid of some prospects.

And my last guess, would be the Cardinals, I guess.

But again, I don't think anyone should pay the price for Price. Let him go to Free Agency, and only give up the draft pick. Better value really.

[DamnYanks2]

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The Rays need a power hitting lefty to sandwich with Longoria/Myers.

Mark Trumbo is not a fit.

Although getting a catcher that isn't a total offensive liability would also be great.

The cost of Price is going to be two solid every day players and two good prospects.

I don't know who can offer that but I can't see the Rays taking any less.

Two solid everyday players and two prospects? That's ridiculous...

I could understand one every day player and two prospects, maybe 3. as good as price is, that's more Kershaw, King Felix territory. Price shouldn't command that.

[yougo1000]

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I really hope the Cubs can get a decent lefty to fit in the bullpen with Russell. Way too high of a workload in the past 2 seasons. I would also like a decent middle infielder in case Barney is non-tendered and doesn't sign a new contract.

[Perfect Zero]

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Two everyday players and two high prospects for Price? Yeah, I don't think so. I know a Rays fan who thinks they can get Wacha, Miller, and Carpenter for Price, which I guess would be like a Perez, Holland, Profar deal for the Rangers. No dice. I fully expect Price to wear a Rays jersey next year.

Speaking of Perez, that is one nice team friendly contract that the Rangers sent to him. Also in the news, Colby Lewis was offered a Minor League Contract and a Non-Roster Invite to Spring Training but is looking for a better deal.

[AC]

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I like Nolasco better. Since 2008 he's started 31 games each year except in 2010. He's back to striking out guys and he's never been a walk machine. His xFIP has been under 3.7 every year since 2008 except that forgettable 2012. He's a pretty sure bet for 2.5-3 WAR every year with an upside of 4. I don't think he'll get 80 M though, probably something closer to what Edwin Jackson got last year (4 years, 52 M). He won't require a draft pick either.

I like this a lot. I think Nolasco's gonna go largely unnoticed and end up being a bargain for some smart team.