If you could build around one player?

[DamnYanks2]

Re: If you could build around one player?

It's hard to build around an Ace Pitcher though. Your talking about a guy that Plays one every 5 games. Kershaw is a stud and has 20 game winner written all over him but one Pitcher can only do so much. A Durable position player is playing anywhere from 150-162 games. The position player is going to have much more of an overall impact then the pitcher is.

Not that much, Trout's war this year was 9.23 and Kershaw's was 7.86.

I would rather have a starter like Kershaw, then a position player. This isn't one on one. We are talking about a team, and I want Kershaw over a position player. Even if it is every 5th day.

[DrJones]

Re: If you could build around one player?

Trout, because pitchers are more susceptible to injury and sudden decline in production. Not so long ago, Tim Lincecum and Johan Santana would've been considered "no-brainers" to build your franchise around.

[DamnYanks2]

Re: If you could build around one player?

Trout, because pitchers are more susceptible to injury and sudden decline in production. Not so long ago, Tim Lincecum and Johan Santana would've been considered "no-brainers" to build your franchise around.

Good point, but I think Trout's style of reckless play could ring true to that statement too.

[SPTO]

Re: If you could build around one player?

It's hard to build around an Ace Pitcher though. Your talking about a guy that Plays one every 5 games. Kershaw is a stud and has 20 game winner written all over him but one Pitcher can only do so much. A Durable position player is playing anywhere from 150-162 games. The position player is going to have much more of an overall impact then the pitcher is.

That's why I said i'd focus on the rotation rather than build upon one pitcher per se. It's true, that it takes an insane amount of luck and it hasn't quite worked since the first incarnation of the A's under Billy Beane's watch but it's doable.

Again it's difficult as hell and I remember when the Blue Jays tried that with Carpenter, Halladay and Kelvim Escobar. It never really panned out.

[DamnYanks2]

Re: If you could build around one player?

That's why I said i'd focus on the rotation rather than build upon one pitcher per se. It's true, that it takes an insane amount of luck and it hasn't quite worked since the first incarnation of the A's under Billy Beane's watch but it's doable.

Again it's difficult as hell and I remember when the Blue Jays tried that with Carpenter, Halladay and Kelvim Escobar. It never really panned out.

The Giants?

[1stpitchhacker]

Re: If you could build around one player?

Older than Trout, poor defender, offensive production roughly equivalent, more costly in the short term.

I meant in terms of him not even being mentioned, while Joe Mauer (LOL!) was. Trying to be different doesn't necessarily make one look smart.

And if by "roughly" you meant "hardly" then I agree.

[DamnYanks2]

Re: If you could build around one player?

I meant in terms of him not even being mentioned, while Joe Mauer (LOL!) was. Trying to be different doesn't necessarily make one look smart.

Miggy's defense and aging makes him a hard case, as far as offensively, I don't know if there's anyone better.

I guess some people missed that part where I said it doesn't matter. If you want to build around Miggy it's your world.

I just wanted a fun discussion, there really is no wrong answers.

[1stpitchhacker]

Re: If you could build around one player?

I agree with this, with baseball you have to build around a philosophy. Either you're going to build a team based around offense or one that's more pitching and defense oriented.

Really? Tell that to the Tigers, Cardinals, Red Sox, Reds, Rangers, Braves and Dodgers, plus the majority of playoff teams in past years.

[1stpitchhacker]

Re: If you could build around one player?

I was just pointing out the fact that you mentioned a bunch of players but left out the best.

Kinda like starting a discussion about the greatest basketball player ever and listing Johnson, Bird, Chamberlain, Russell, Robertson, James, Bryant (I guess), and whoever else. Who'd I miss?

[DamnYanks2]

Re: If you could build around one player?

I was just pointing out the fact that you mentioned a bunch of players but left out the best.

Kinda like starting a discussion about the greatest basketball player ever and listing Johnson, Bird, Chamberlain, Russell, Robertson, James, Bryant (I guess), and whoever else. Who'd I miss?

Eddy Curry.

[SPTO]

Re: If you could build around one player?

The Giants?

Slipped my mind, good call there.

Really? Tell that to the Tigers, Cardinals, Red Sox, Reds, Rangers, Braves and Dodgers, plus the majority of playoff teams in past years.

Tigers: Built primarily on offense the last few years until the rotation was able do coalesce around Verlander.

Cardinals: strong pitching rotation with a pretty good offense but that team was built around the pitching. I don't know how you could deny that.

Red Sox: Okay, you have me there. They're a bit of a hodge podge

Reds, Rangers and Braves: all three were built offense first which allowed for the pitching staff to develop down the line.

Dodgers: Even though they're mostly a team built from other parts the core is around the very good trio of Kershaw, Grienke and Ryu. Even before they had the money to spend on big bats they were more pitching and defense oriented.

[DrJones]

Re: If you could build around one player?

Cardinals: strong pitching rotation with a pretty good offense but that team was built around the pitching. I don't know how you could deny that.

Oh, I have a pretty good idea how he could deny that.

How the Cardinals rank among NL teams in Runs Scored and Runs Allowed

2013: #1 RS, #5 RA (???)
2012: #2 RS, #5 RA (Lost in NLCS)
2011: #1 RS, #9 RA (Won WS)
2010: #6 RS, #5 RA (Missed playoffs)
2009: #7 RS, #3 RA (Lost in NLDS)
2008: #4 RS, #7 RA (Missed playoffs)
2007: #11 RS, #13 RA (Missed playoffs)
2006: #6 RS, #5 RA (Won WS)
2005: #3 RS, #2 RA (Lost in NLCS)
2004: #1 RS, #1 RA (Lost in WS)

[SPTO]

Re: If you could build around one player?

Oh, I have a pretty good idea how he could deny that.

How the Cardinals rank among NL teams in Runs Scored and Runs Allowed

2013: #1 RS, #5 RA (???)
2012: #2 RS, #5 RA (Lost in NLCS)
2011: #1 RS, #9 RA (Won WS)
2010: #6 RS, #5 RA (Missed playoffs)
2009: #7 RS, #3 RA (Lost in NLDS)
2008: #4 RS, #7 RA (Missed playoffs)
2007: #11 RS, #13 RA (Missed playoffs)
2006: #6 RS, #5 RA (Won WS)
2005: #3 RS, #2 RA (Lost in NLCS)
2004: #1 RS, #1 RA (Lost in WS)

You and your damn stats!

"shakes fist"

Well I admit defeat I guess

[DamnYanks2]

Re: If you could build around one player?

LOL, it's hard to argue with that man, I'm still taking Kershaw though Dr Jones!!

[1stpitchhacker]

Re: If you could build around one player?

What about one of the following:

Yasiel Puig, Jose Fernandez, Giancarlo Stanton?