Who is the greatest pitcher of all time?

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  • mjb2124
    Hall Of Fame
    • Aug 2002
    • 13649

    #61
    Re: Who is the greatest pitcher of all time?

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    His W/L record is terrible (although he did pitch for very mediocre teams). However, the most telling stat I saw was the comparison of his ERA to the League ERA. On many instances his ERA was higher than the league ERA.



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    ERA can be a misleading stat as well so I wouldn't use that as a big stick in bashing Ryan If there was a pitcher I want to put out there in a game 7 situation it would be Nolan Ryan.

    Same thing goes for Jack Morris in the 80s. Everybody judges him on his high ERA now and thats what's keeping him from the HOF. I think that's kinda stupid because he did give up a lot of runs but when the game was on the line you could count on Morris to keep his team in the game.

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    You've got a point. I was going to figure out his WHIP, but got caught up in actual work. I'll try to do that tonight, but have a feeling it won't be very good.

    IMO, if I had to pick a game 7 starter, it would be a Bob Gibson, Walter Johnson, Satchel Paige etc... I don't know. I guess a lot of the time I tend to favor the older players and feel that they were superior to some of today's more modern stars. I might be right, but I might be wrong. Tough thing judging talent across different era's.

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    • kodiak
      Itsy Bitsy Spider
      • Jul 2003
      • 4288

      #62
      Re: Who is the greatest pitcher of all time?

      Some of the other things making it harder to determine across era's are the difference in parks and the lack of expansion diluting everything. Imagine how many HR's Mantle would have hit if he played in the stadiums of today. Or would have Bonds and Big Mac have broken the HR record. Tough to gauge but it would have been a lot harder in that era.
      I like to think some of the older pitchers like Young, 3 Finger Brown, Satchell Paige, etc are better simply because of reasons stated above. They would pitch back to back games of double hitters. Of course thats also why Cy's 511 wins mark will never be close to being touched. Now its a big deal to get to 300. When you pitch every 5th game instead of back to back or every other one, wins are harder to come by.
      S.O.S Crew
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      • kodiak
        Itsy Bitsy Spider
        • Jul 2003
        • 4288

        #63
        Re: Who is the greatest pitcher of all time?

        Some of the other things making it harder to determine across era's are the difference in parks and the lack of expansion diluting everything. Imagine how many HR's Mantle would have hit if he played in the stadiums of today. Or would have Bonds and Big Mac have broken the HR record. Tough to gauge but it would have been a lot harder in that era.
        I like to think some of the older pitchers like Young, 3 Finger Brown, Satchell Paige, etc are better simply because of reasons stated above. They would pitch back to back games of double hitters. Of course thats also why Cy's 511 wins mark will never be close to being touched. Now its a big deal to get to 300. When you pitch every 5th game instead of back to back or every other one, wins are harder to come by.
        S.O.S Crew
        "Strategy over Skillz"

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        • kodiak
          Itsy Bitsy Spider
          • Jul 2003
          • 4288

          #64
          Re: Who is the greatest pitcher of all time?

          Some of the other things making it harder to determine across era's are the difference in parks and the lack of expansion diluting everything. Imagine how many HR's Mantle would have hit if he played in the stadiums of today. Or would have Bonds and Big Mac have broken the HR record. Tough to gauge but it would have been a lot harder in that era.
          I like to think some of the older pitchers like Young, 3 Finger Brown, Satchell Paige, etc are better simply because of reasons stated above. They would pitch back to back games of double hitters. Of course thats also why Cy's 511 wins mark will never be close to being touched. Now its a big deal to get to 300. When you pitch every 5th game instead of back to back or every other one, wins are harder to come by.
          S.O.S Crew
          "Strategy over Skillz"

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          • rsox
            All Star
            • Feb 2003
            • 6309

            #65
            Re: Who is the greatest pitcher of all time?

            Walter Johnson
            Cy Young
            Warren Spahn
            Bob Gibson
            Nolan Ryan
            Roger Clemens
            Pedro Martinez
            Randy Johnson
            Greg Maddux

            the list can go on and on.

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            • rsox
              All Star
              • Feb 2003
              • 6309

              #66
              Re: Who is the greatest pitcher of all time?

              Walter Johnson
              Cy Young
              Warren Spahn
              Bob Gibson
              Nolan Ryan
              Roger Clemens
              Pedro Martinez
              Randy Johnson
              Greg Maddux

              the list can go on and on.

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              • rsox
                All Star
                • Feb 2003
                • 6309

                #67
                Re: Who is the greatest pitcher of all time?

                Walter Johnson
                Cy Young
                Warren Spahn
                Bob Gibson
                Nolan Ryan
                Roger Clemens
                Pedro Martinez
                Randy Johnson
                Greg Maddux

                the list can go on and on.

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