Batting Average and HR's= Overrated

[49ersrule23]

Re: Batting Average and HR's= Overrated

You've been watching I,Max haven't you?.

I say wrong, wrong, and wrong.

I personally think that the I agree with teh most of the points. But also people shold pay attention to the walks plus on-base percentage.

[49ersrule23]

Re: Batting Average and HR's= Overrated

You've been watching I,Max haven't you?.

I say wrong, wrong, and wrong.

I personally think that the I agree with teh most of the points. But also people shold pay attention to the walks plus on-base percentage.

[SportsTop]

Re: Batting Average and HR's= Overrated

However, you should have a good balance. You can have a guy with a .400 OBP, but if he's only batting .250, what good is he really doing the team besides getting to first? I know that sounds kinda dumb because getting on base is indeed the most important thing in baseball, but you have to take into account his other at-bats. I rather have a guy with a .360 OPB and a .280 average over a guy with a .400 OBP and a .250 average. Got me?

I disagree. Batting average and OBP are relative when it comes to position in the batting order. I'd rather have a guy batting .250 with a .400 OBP if he were my leadoff man. However, I'd take the .280 hitter with the .360 OBP if it were my #2 or #3 hitter.

It's hard to gauge what is the most important statistic of the most notable ones (AVG, OBP, SLG, OPS, RBI, R). A clean-up hitter's job is not to worry about walking 100+ times a year. His job is RBI's. It is the duty of the players in front of the 4-6 hitters to get on base and score runs.

We can't fault a leadoff hitter for not driving in over 100 runs while at the same time fault a clean-up hitter for not batting over .300.

[SportsTop]

Re: Batting Average and HR's= Overrated

However, you should have a good balance. You can have a guy with a .400 OBP, but if he's only batting .250, what good is he really doing the team besides getting to first? I know that sounds kinda dumb because getting on base is indeed the most important thing in baseball, but you have to take into account his other at-bats. I rather have a guy with a .360 OPB and a .280 average over a guy with a .400 OBP and a .250 average. Got me?

I disagree. Batting average and OBP are relative when it comes to position in the batting order. I'd rather have a guy batting .250 with a .400 OBP if he were my leadoff man. However, I'd take the .280 hitter with the .360 OBP if it were my #2 or #3 hitter.

It's hard to gauge what is the most important statistic of the most notable ones (AVG, OBP, SLG, OPS, RBI, R). A clean-up hitter's job is not to worry about walking 100+ times a year. His job is RBI's. It is the duty of the players in front of the 4-6 hitters to get on base and score runs.

We can't fault a leadoff hitter for not driving in over 100 runs while at the same time fault a clean-up hitter for not batting over .300.

[CMH]

Re: Batting Average and HR's= Overrated

Then I have to disagree with you

A leadoff hitters's job is indeed to get on base, but .360 to .400 isn't really too much of a difference when compared to .250 and .280 in batting average.

I agree that you want your leadoff hitter to be an on-base machine, but at the risk of losing the opportunity to get doubles or triples, I have to pass on someone who can't hit a lick.

[CMH]

Re: Batting Average and HR's= Overrated

Then I have to disagree with you

A leadoff hitters's job is indeed to get on base, but .360 to .400 isn't really too much of a difference when compared to .250 and .280 in batting average.

I agree that you want your leadoff hitter to be an on-base machine, but at the risk of losing the opportunity to get doubles or triples, I have to pass on someone who can't hit a lick.

[Blzer]

Re: Batting Average and HR's= Overrated

So is it safe to say that Bonds is leadoff hitter material?

[Blzer]

Re: Batting Average and HR's= Overrated

So is it safe to say that Bonds is leadoff hitter material?

[SportsTop]

Re: Batting Average and HR's= Overrated

So is it safe to say that Bonds is leadoff hitter material?

I'm going to assume that this comment is made with a hint of sarcasm.

Bonds is that rare player who would excel at any batting position. He had the speed and the eye to hit lead-off (which he did early in his career with the Pirates), the ability to hit for average as a #3 hitter, and of course the power to hit clean-up. Of course a man of Bonds' power and RBI potential you have to hit further down in the line-up, but other teams have decided to remove the bat from his hands any time he is up with people on base.

Which plays into the argument for NL MVP this year.......

[SportsTop]

Re: Batting Average and HR's= Overrated

So is it safe to say that Bonds is leadoff hitter material?

I'm going to assume that this comment is made with a hint of sarcasm.

Bonds is that rare player who would excel at any batting position. He had the speed and the eye to hit lead-off (which he did early in his career with the Pirates), the ability to hit for average as a #3 hitter, and of course the power to hit clean-up. Of course a man of Bonds' power and RBI potential you have to hit further down in the line-up, but other teams have decided to remove the bat from his hands any time he is up with people on base.

Which plays into the argument for NL MVP this year.......

[SportsTop]

Re: Batting Average and HR's= Overrated

Then I have to disagree with you

A leadoff hitters's job is indeed to get on base, but .360 to .400 isn't really too much of a difference when compared to .250 and .280 in batting average.

I agree that you want your leadoff hitter to be an on-base machine, but at the risk of losing the opportunity to get doubles or triples, I have to pass on someone who can't hit a lick.

Again, it is relative to other factors about the player as well. Would you want a .250 hitting Juan Pierre with a .400 OBP batting leadoff or the .280 hitting Sammy Sosa with a .360 OBP? Or vice versa?

I think I know which way you'll go on this one.....

[SportsTop]

Re: Batting Average and HR's= Overrated

Then I have to disagree with you

A leadoff hitters's job is indeed to get on base, but .360 to .400 isn't really too much of a difference when compared to .250 and .280 in batting average.

I agree that you want your leadoff hitter to be an on-base machine, but at the risk of losing the opportunity to get doubles or triples, I have to pass on someone who can't hit a lick.

Again, it is relative to other factors about the player as well. Would you want a .250 hitting Juan Pierre with a .400 OBP batting leadoff or the .280 hitting Sammy Sosa with a .360 OBP? Or vice versa?

I think I know which way you'll go on this one.....

[Misfit]

Re: Batting Average and HR's= Overrated

Actually, yes to the Bonds question. Batting him lead-off is logical but like Squint said, you want someone with that kind of power hitting further down in the order. If the Giants had some power threats in their lineup besides Bonds it wouldn't shock me if they ever tried to hit him lead-off.

[Misfit]

Re: Batting Average and HR's= Overrated

Actually, yes to the Bonds question. Batting him lead-off is logical but like Squint said, you want someone with that kind of power hitting further down in the order. If the Giants had some power threats in their lineup besides Bonds it wouldn't shock me if they ever tried to hit him lead-off.

[Blzer]

Re: Batting Average and HR's= Overrated

Actually, yes to the Bonds question. Batting him lead-off is logical but like Squint said, you want someone with that kind of power hitting further down in the order. If the Giants had some power threats in their lineup besides Bonds it wouldn't shock me if they ever tried to hit him lead-off.

Yes, true, but I would settle for Bonds batting leadoff over the .256 hitting, .338 reaching base Ray Durham. He has been HORRIBLE!