Cardinal-Gate?

[sydrogerdavid]

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Just saw on ESPN's bottom line that the FBI is reportedly close to a conclusion.

Well that was quick...

Well, according to BTTF 2, the justice system was supposed to be more efficient without lawyers. Maybe this is the beginning.

[dubcity]

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Manfred:
"What has been reported — and we knew about it well in advance of the report — is there is an ongoing investigation with respect to an unauthorized entry into Houston’s system,” Manfred said during a previously scheduled visit to Fenway Park. “To assume that that investigation is going to produce a particular result with respect to the Cardinals, let alone to jump to the use of a word like ‘cyber attack,’ I just think that we don’t know that those are the facts yet."



"There is an ongoing investigation. We’ve been fully cooperative. Obviously, any allegation like this, no matter how serious it turns out to be, is of great concern to us. But it’s just too early to speculate on what the facts are going to turn out to be and what action — if any — is necessary."



"We have a technology company that quite literally is the envy of companies throughout America, not just sports enterprises,” Manfred said. “And we routinely make the resources of MLB Advanced Media available to clubs to make sure that they have the type of security arrangements that are necessary. At the end of the day, however, each club — it’s an individual, local undertaking as to what the security measures are."

Yup. Setting this up to be an isolated incident with the Astros not having sufficient security, and no need to punish the Cardinals as a franchise.

[WaitTilNextYear]

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Yup. Setting this up to be an isolated incident with the Astros not having sufficient security, and no need to punish the Cardinals as a franchise.

The problem you're having in framing this as a 'MLB protects its own' situation is that punishment might be meted out by the FBI if standards for criminal charges are met. I don't think enough info is known yet to know for sure, but MLB's druthers are obviously superceded by actual criminal proceedings.

[dubcity]

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The problem you're having in framing this as a 'MLB protects its own' situation is that punishment might be meted out by the FBI if standards for criminal charges are met. I don't think enough info is known yet to know for sure, but MLB's druthers are obviously superceded by actual criminal proceedings.

But is the FBI going to fine the team, take away draft picks, or punish the team in the context of the Cardinals as a competitive team in MLB? I would assume they'll just prosecute the individuals involved.

[WaitTilNextYear]

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But is the FBI going to fine the team, take away draft picks, or punish the team in the context of the Cardinals as a competitive team in MLB? I would assume they'll just prosecute the individuals involved.

I'm pretty sure if the FBI is prosecuting Cardinals officials with fines, jail time etc... that MLB is gonna take care of all those other things. Doubt the Cards get hit with federal charges while MLB stands idly by. I don't think that's tenable public relations.

[p_rushing]

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But is the FBI going to fine the team, take away draft picks, or punish the team in the context of the Cardinals as a competitive team in MLB? I would assume they'll just prosecute the individuals involved.

Based on supposed evidence that the Cardinals top people were aware of it, the entire front office could be in jail. Hacking, cyber attack, etc have broad definitions and simply logging in with a password is considered hacking and an attack. It was also another competing entity and was proprietary information. They could be in some serious legal trouble.

If the top front office people are proven to have ordered or approved it, then maybe that is corporate espionage. Not sure if that is possible with how MLB and the teams are structured though.

They probably will be out of baseball for life and pay heavy fines at the very least. The Cardinals will then be punished by MLB to stop it from happening again. The higher up it goes, the higher the fines and lose of picks will go.

[kehlis]

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Nobody's going to jail for cheating at a sport.

[KMRblue1027]

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Nobody's going to jail for cheating at a sport.

But people do go to jail for corporate espionage.

[kehlis]

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But people do go to jail for corporate espionage.

Right, when the espionage involves money, SSN's and things of that nature.

We're talking about trade talks, full scouting reports and internal discussions.



I'm not downplaying the serious nature of this, I'm just saying lets not go overboard with the punishment. I think it should be kept to within the game but I know that's not going to happen.

Fines are fine but I think talking about jail is going a bit overboard.

[WaitTilNextYear]

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Nobody's going to jail for cheating at a sport.

It's not the "cheating" so much as the breaking federal laws and illegally obtaining proprietary info. Jail time is a very real possibility for corporate espionage, even for an industry that is basically just a game.

[kehlis]

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It's not the "cheating" so much as the breaking federal laws and illegally obtaining proprietary info. Jail time is a very real possibility for corporate espionage, even for an industry that is basically just a game.

Where's that precedent?

[Master Live 013]

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Where's that precedent?

"The attack would represent the first known case of corporate espionage in which a professional sports team hacked the network of another team. Illegal intrusions into companies’ networks have become commonplace, but they are generally conducted by hackers operating in foreign countries, like Russia and China, who steal large amounts of data or trade secrets for military equipment and electronics.".

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/17/sp...-fbi.html?_r=1

I don't think there is, at least not in American sports history. (Formula 1 is another story).

I think jail time, even if it is just lower tier guys, is a real possibility.

[p_rushing]

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It could have been kept in house, but the info was leaked and the Astros thought it was someone outside just hacking in. They went to the FBI, probably at the suggestion of the MLB security people. FBI then discovers the ip addresses and where they were located. Then traced them back to the Cardinals.

At this point the FBI is on the case and will not stop. Either the people will plea or there will be trials where they have evidence.

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[kehlis]

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"The attack would represent the first known case of corporate espionage in which a professional sports team hacked the network of another team. Illegal intrusions into companies’ networks have become commonplace, but they are generally conducted by hackers operating in foreign countries, like Russia and China, who steal large amounts of data or trade secrets for military equipment and electronics.".

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/17/sp...-fbi.html?_r=1

I don't think there is, at least not in American sports history. (Formula 1 is another story).

I think jail time, even if it is just lower tier guys, is a real possibility.

Right, and all things considered, don't you think the FBI's time could be better served worrying about things bolded rather than one MLB team cheating on another?

Seems to me like a matter that should be handled by the MLB (harshly), not handled by the FBI.

[kehlis]

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At this point the FBI is on the case and will not stop. Either the people will plea or there will be trials where they have evidence.

We'll see, I don't see them continuing to look into it when it involves two institutions within the same company.

Now that it's become an MLB problem, they have no reason to stay involved.