MLB should have Salary Cap and Drug Testing

[Stu]

Re: MLB should have Salary Cap and Drug Testing

You have a point, but I think where the cap comes into effect is when these teams need to sign those young players. Yes a small market team does need to rebuild from within, but the problem is signing those guys when their contracts are up. Most times an Oak, SD, Minn and many others can't compete with the big markets in terms of signing free agents and holding onto players.

Oakland is a perfect example with Tejada and Foulke.

[Stu]

Re: MLB should have Salary Cap and Drug Testing

You have a point, but I think where the cap comes into effect is when these teams need to sign those young players. Yes a small market team does need to rebuild from within, but the problem is signing those guys when their contracts are up. Most times an Oak, SD, Minn and many others can't compete with the big markets in terms of signing free agents and holding onto players.

Oakland is a perfect example with Tejada and Foulke.

[Misfit]

Re: MLB should have Salary Cap and Drug Testing

I think a cap and a floor would be great for baseball. A salary cap of say, 80 million and a floor of 60 million would be pretty good. Of course, it will never happen without a major work stopage like we're seeing with the NHL but it would improve the game.

Oakland has been successful because they have a different philosophy in how they evaluate players. With some of these larger market teams starting to buy into their philosophy we'll probably see Oakland start to slow down because the guys who were once undervalued may become overvalued when a team like Boston is willing to shell out the money to sign them.

And a cap wouldn't necessarily hurt the big spending teams, it would just eliminate the bonehead contracts they sign players to. Guys like Ramirez, Arod, Brown, Martinez, Jeter, and Giambi would have far more reasonable contracts in comparison with the rest of the league. No more 17 million a year contracts.

[Misfit]

Re: MLB should have Salary Cap and Drug Testing

I think a cap and a floor would be great for baseball. A salary cap of say, 80 million and a floor of 60 million would be pretty good. Of course, it will never happen without a major work stopage like we're seeing with the NHL but it would improve the game.

Oakland has been successful because they have a different philosophy in how they evaluate players. With some of these larger market teams starting to buy into their philosophy we'll probably see Oakland start to slow down because the guys who were once undervalued may become overvalued when a team like Boston is willing to shell out the money to sign them.

And a cap wouldn't necessarily hurt the big spending teams, it would just eliminate the bonehead contracts they sign players to. Guys like Ramirez, Arod, Brown, Martinez, Jeter, and Giambi would have far more reasonable contracts in comparison with the rest of the league. No more 17 million a year contracts.

[Alliball]

Re: MLB should have Salary Cap and Drug Testing

You have a point, but I think where the cap comes into effect is when these teams need to sign those young players. Yes a small market team does need to rebuild from within, but the problem is signing those guys when their contracts are up. Most times an Oak, SD, Minn and many others can't compete with the big markets in terms of signing free agents and holding onto players.

I see what you're saying and Oakland is the perfect example, but San Diego won't be in that situation from now on. The Padres won't be spending $150 million on salaries, but they will be in the $70-$80 million range I believe. I believe in the luxury tax system more than anything. Set tha cap on salaries at $80 million and any team that goes over that pays dollar for dollar in luxury taxes. While George is willing to pay $180 million now, will he be willing to pay $280 million for that same group of players? I know the Yankees have very deep pockets, but at some point thay can be stopped.

I don't know the numbers, but I'm curious to know how many teams in MLB have payrolls over $80 million.

[Alliball]

Re: MLB should have Salary Cap and Drug Testing

You have a point, but I think where the cap comes into effect is when these teams need to sign those young players. Yes a small market team does need to rebuild from within, but the problem is signing those guys when their contracts are up. Most times an Oak, SD, Minn and many others can't compete with the big markets in terms of signing free agents and holding onto players.

I see what you're saying and Oakland is the perfect example, but San Diego won't be in that situation from now on. The Padres won't be spending $150 million on salaries, but they will be in the $70-$80 million range I believe. I believe in the luxury tax system more than anything. Set tha cap on salaries at $80 million and any team that goes over that pays dollar for dollar in luxury taxes. While George is willing to pay $180 million now, will he be willing to pay $280 million for that same group of players? I know the Yankees have very deep pockets, but at some point thay can be stopped.

I don't know the numbers, but I'm curious to know how many teams in MLB have payrolls over $80 million.

[Stu]

Re: MLB should have Salary Cap and Drug Testing

I see what you're saying and Oakland is the perfect example, but San Diego won't be in that situation from now on. The Padres won't be spending $150 million on salaries, but they will be in the $70-$80 million range I believe. I believe in the luxury tax system more than anything. Set tha cap on salaries at $80 million and any team that goes over that pays dollar for dollar in luxury taxes. While George is willing to pay $180 million now, will he be willing to pay $280 million for that same group of players? I know the Yankees have very deep pockets, but at some point thay can be stopped.

I don't know the numbers, but I'm curious to know how many teams in MLB have payrolls over $80 million.

FYI here are the payrolls at the start of this year.

http://www.onestopbaseball.com/TeamPayroll.asp

[Stu]

Re: MLB should have Salary Cap and Drug Testing

I see what you're saying and Oakland is the perfect example, but San Diego won't be in that situation from now on. The Padres won't be spending $150 million on salaries, but they will be in the $70-$80 million range I believe. I believe in the luxury tax system more than anything. Set tha cap on salaries at $80 million and any team that goes over that pays dollar for dollar in luxury taxes. While George is willing to pay $180 million now, will he be willing to pay $280 million for that same group of players? I know the Yankees have very deep pockets, but at some point thay can be stopped.

I don't know the numbers, but I'm curious to know how many teams in MLB have payrolls over $80 million.

FYI here are the payrolls at the start of this year.

http://www.onestopbaseball.com/TeamPayroll.asp

[Stu]

Re: MLB should have Salary Cap and Drug Testing

FYI here are the payrolls at the start of this year.

http://www.onestopbaseball.com/TeamPayroll.asp

There are 12 teams over $70 million. Of those 12, 9 are currently in playoff contention. The Phillies, Mets and Mariners are not.

Out of the other 18 teams Oakland and Minnesota are the only ones that will make the playoffs.

Thats seriously out of balance.

[Stu]

Re: MLB should have Salary Cap and Drug Testing

FYI here are the payrolls at the start of this year.

http://www.onestopbaseball.com/TeamPayroll.asp

There are 12 teams over $70 million. Of those 12, 9 are currently in playoff contention. The Phillies, Mets and Mariners are not.

Out of the other 18 teams Oakland and Minnesota are the only ones that will make the playoffs.

Thats seriously out of balance.

[SPTO]

Re: MLB should have Salary Cap and Drug Testing

I agree that MLB needs a real drug testing program. It's the worst in all of sports and STILL some players get caught. Just shows how smart some guys are. As for a salary cap...well there's always a loophole to be found. It will either be bonuses up front or some strange form of capology that you see in the NBA. The revenue sharing is doing a pretty good job right now tho the GMs in smaller markets have to actually use, you know BRAINS to run a club. Just look at the Twins. They have a low payroll but have been very successful over the past 3 seasons.

If there were to be a cap and floor i'd put it between 50 and 80 million.

[SPTO]

Re: MLB should have Salary Cap and Drug Testing

I agree that MLB needs a real drug testing program. It's the worst in all of sports and STILL some players get caught. Just shows how smart some guys are. As for a salary cap...well there's always a loophole to be found. It will either be bonuses up front or some strange form of capology that you see in the NBA. The revenue sharing is doing a pretty good job right now tho the GMs in smaller markets have to actually use, you know BRAINS to run a club. Just look at the Twins. They have a low payroll but have been very successful over the past 3 seasons.

If there were to be a cap and floor i'd put it between 50 and 80 million.

[bdunn13]

Re: MLB should have Salary Cap and Drug Testing

I don't agree with the salary cap issue, because baseball just doesn't need one. If you know how to put a team together then the will have a chance at winning. Look at teams like Oakland, San Diego, Minnesota, and Florida. As for drug testing, duh.

Florida, great example, they paid for their first world series with cash!

[bdunn13]

Re: MLB should have Salary Cap and Drug Testing

I don't agree with the salary cap issue, because baseball just doesn't need one. If you know how to put a team together then the will have a chance at winning. Look at teams like Oakland, San Diego, Minnesota, and Florida. As for drug testing, duh.

Florida, great example, they paid for their first world series with cash!

[Stu]

Re: MLB should have Salary Cap and Drug Testing

I agree that MLB needs a real drug testing program. It's the worst in all of sports and STILL some players get caught. Just shows how smart some guys are. As for a salary cap...well there's always a loophole to be found. It will either be bonuses up front or some strange form of capology that you see in the NBA. The revenue sharing is doing a pretty good job right now tho the GMs in smaller markets have to actually use, you know BRAINS to run a club. Just look at the Twins. They have a low payroll but have been very successful over the past 3 seasons.

If there were to be a cap and floor i'd put it between 50 and 80 million.

I agree that the Twins have been very successful but think its worth noting they have a higher payroll than 3 of the teams in their division. Theres a big difference between the White Sox $65 mil to the Twins $53 when compared to the Orioles/Blue Jays at $50 mil and the Red Sox at $130ish and Yankees at $180.

With the new schedules and teams playing more games in their division, teams like the Twins benefit from playing in a weaker division. This year they are 19-14 vs the East, 16-16 vs the West and 42-27 vs the Central. Put them in the East and they're a .500 ball club...