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    The Few. The Proud.
    • Jul 2003
    • 6716

    #1

    Official End of the Year Awards Thread

    Love 'em or hate 'em, here are my picks for baseball's hardware this year:


    NL MVP

    Barry Bonds - San Francisco Giants (.362/45 HR/.609 OBP/.812 SLG)

    I can start a whole new thread on why Bonds is the NL MVP. The short of it is that without him, the Giants don't even sniff .500, let alone the playoffs. We've grown so accustomed to his mind-boggling numbers that we come to expect it from him every year. The man is in a class all by himself. Adrian Beltre gets the nod for runner-up with the breakout performance people have been predicting for the last three seasons.

    NL Cy Young

    Randy Johnson - Arizona Diamondbacks (16-14/2.60 ERA/290 K/.900 WHIP/26 QS)

    I must've typed Randy Johnson, then replaced it with Roger Clemens and vice versa over ten times by now. This is easily the most difficult of the awards to vote for. If Clemens would've started the season finale and clinched the NL Wild Card with another Clemens-esque performance then my vote would've gone to him. But what Randy Johnson has done on a team full of AAA players and AA prospects is nothing short of miraculous. Johnson dominates every single major pitching category except wins and ERA (2nd) and is tied for fourth worst in run support with 3.99 runs per game. All this and he pitched a perfect game too.

    NL ROTY

    Khalil Greene - San Diego Padres (.273/31 2B/65 RBI/67 R)

    Another tough one. I have to admit that I'm biased to Greene because I was fortunate enough to see him play defense night in and night out. His ability at SS as a true rookie is already being compared to another Wizard with the glove at that position. His offensive numbers take a huge hit from playing at PetCo and the fact that he batted eigth most of the season. Jason Bay is also deserving of the award and I wouldn't be surprised (or upset) if he did come away with it. He is a former Padre after all.

    NL Manager of the Year

    Bobby Cox - Atlanta Braves (96-66)

    Year in and year out his team keeps winning their division. In a year when it was expected that the Braves would have to fight just to stay above .500, Cox found a way to get his team to believe and they responded by running away with the NL East. Honorable mention to another unexpected division winner in Jim Tracy and the L.A. Dodgers.

    NL Comeback Player of the Year

    Jaret Wright - Atlanta Braves (15-8/3.28 ERA/32 GS)

    He was 2-5 with a 7.35 ERA last season and left for dead. He came up huge for another Atlanta Division winner and was lights out in the second half of the season (9-3/2.95 ERA). Trevor Hoffman gets honorable mention coming off of shoulder surgery to again post a 40 save season after missing nearly all of last year.

    AL MVP

    Vladimir Guerrero - Anaheim Angels (.337/39 HR/126 RBI/124 R)

    He was a monster through the last week of the season when the Angels needed him most including a bomb in the Division clincher on the second to last day of the season. It's hard to vote Manny Ramirez or David Ortiz in this spot when it's tough to decide which one of them is the MVP of their own team, let alone the league. Honorable mention to Gary Sheffield who carried the Yankees when they were falling apart at the seams in late August and early September.

    AL Cy Young

    Johan Santana - Minnesota Twins (20-6/2.61 ERA/265 K)

    Of all the major awards, this is the no-brainer of the group. Schilling gets honorable mention with his 21 wins, but in the end, it really isn't even a tough decision.

    AL ROTY

    Lew Ford - Minnesota Twins (.299/15 HR/89 R)

    While Bobby Crosby got all the publicity with the A's, Ford had a very solid season on the best team no one has heard of up in Minnesota. Crosby is a close runner up, but his low batting average and OBP (.239/.319 respectively) overshadow his other achievements.

    AL Manager of the Year

    Buck Showalter - Texas Rangers (89-73)

    Who would've thought the Rangers would be in the post-season race into the last week of the season?

    AL Comeback Player of the Year

    Jon Lieber - New York Yankees (14-8/4.33 ERA/27 GS)

    He missed all of last season after undergoing "Tommy John" surgery to have a solid campaign on a weak Yankee starting staff.
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  • rocker78
    MVP
    • Feb 2003
    • 1717

    #2
    Re: Official End of the Year Awards Thread

    agree with ever pick except beltre should be the mvp.
    favorite teams
    nfl- carolina panthers
    nba- boston celtics (bobcats are a close second)
    mlb- boston redsox
    nhl- carolina hurricanes
    ncaa- east carolina pirates

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    • rocker78
      MVP
      • Feb 2003
      • 1717

      #3
      Re: Official End of the Year Awards Thread

      agree with ever pick except beltre should be the mvp.
      favorite teams
      nfl- carolina panthers
      nba- boston celtics (bobcats are a close second)
      mlb- boston redsox
      nhl- carolina hurricanes
      ncaa- east carolina pirates

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      • Stoud
        MVP
        • Mar 2003
        • 1259

        #4
        Re: Official End of the Year Awards Thread

        Originally posted by rocker78
        agree with ever pick except beltre should be the mvp.
        Beltre should be the Comeback Kid of the year. I agreed with a few, especially Jon Lieber, but I still say Ichiro deserves AL MVP. He'll never get it, but what the hell.

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        • Stoud
          MVP
          • Mar 2003
          • 1259

          #5
          Re: Official End of the Year Awards Thread

          Originally posted by rocker78
          agree with ever pick except beltre should be the mvp.
          Beltre should be the Comeback Kid of the year. I agreed with a few, especially Jon Lieber, but I still say Ichiro deserves AL MVP. He'll never get it, but what the hell.

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          • Blzer
            Resident film pundit
            • Mar 2004
            • 42520

            #6
            Re: Official End of the Year Awards Thread

            No, Beltre should not be MVP. There is not one stat that Beltre has a clear edge over Bonds that makes him be MVP... 3 home runs more says nothing, especially when the one with 3 less home runs has 179 more walks than the other on the year.

            Also, it's not just Bonds' stats per AB, it's also the two intangibles... 1) The way he makes them pitch to him, and 2) the way he makes them pitch to the other guys on the lineup.

            Let me explain... Bonds' walks aren't just the only times he gets pitched around, many of his at bats are produced from 3 ball counts. Not to mention, pitchers will CONTINUOUSLY pitch to the outside until an umpire calls a strike at that zone. Bonds also has his own lefty specialists come in against him, you know, the submarine lefties and such, and also, there's no such thing as a fastball count when Bonds is up. Whether it's the first pitch or 3-2, there's a chance the pitcher will risk walking him with his strikeout pitch... whether it's a sinker or slider, or change up, Bonds is the only guy that MUST decide on what pitch he should look for, or he's gonna pay, because he can't look fastball, because he probably won't get a fastball.

            Now, about the other thing... when the game starts, and Durham is leading off, I can assure you that the manager is seeing that Bonds is batting 4th. So, they will do anything they can to try and get a 1-2-3 inning. Meaning, they are going to make sure that they are throwing strikes... you don't get that often. Pitchers surely don't like to walk guys, but it's never to the extent where it's either walking somebody, or getting to a high ball count, it's that they gotta throw strikes in that at bat. They want him to ground out or fly out, etc. Also, when the #3 batter is up, do you think that the pitcher, the manager, and the second baseman cares about him? No! They are all looking at that on-deck circle, and that will give the #3 batter the best pitches of his life, because they don't want a free runner on when Bonds comes up. Even moreso, if Bonds comes up with a runner on first, at times, there will be a wild pitch, or should I say a "wild pitch", so that the runner can move over, and they have an excuse for intentionally walking him. They also do it because they feel they can get the #5 hitter out, so they try very hard to give him fat strikes.

            The Giants were 2nd in the NL in runs scored, and Bonds wasn't the only person driving them in... HOWEVER, that doesn't mean he wasn't the cause for it, either. Because he's in that lineup, it changes the way that they pitch to him and the rest of the lineup, and they score many runs that way. With Bonds not in the lineup, a walk fearing the big man may be on deck is just not there, and those walks aren't as costly.



            Also, I don't know if you've seen this stat, but it's called RC/27, and Bonds is first with 20.21, and second is Todd Helton with 11.04.

            Basically, that stat estimates how many runs per game a team made up of nine of the same player would score. So, for Bonds, about 20 runs per game, and for the second place person, about 11 runs per game. That, is a HUGE difference.

            Oh, and guess what? Beltre is 9th on that list. That's not so high up.

            And finally, Bonds has more home runs this year than strikeouts. Beltre could not say that, because he had about 35 more strikeouts than home runs, when Bonds had about 5 more home runs than strikeouts.


            Oh, and Stoud, Beltre can't be a comeback player if he never had a year like this before anyways... this is his improving year, or his breakout year, not his comeback year.


            Basically, I'm doing what the thread starter said, and I can say even more, I'm just tired an gotta sleep.
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            • Blzer
              Resident film pundit
              • Mar 2004
              • 42520

              #7
              Re: Official End of the Year Awards Thread

              No, Beltre should not be MVP. There is not one stat that Beltre has a clear edge over Bonds that makes him be MVP... 3 home runs more says nothing, especially when the one with 3 less home runs has 179 more walks than the other on the year.

              Also, it's not just Bonds' stats per AB, it's also the two intangibles... 1) The way he makes them pitch to him, and 2) the way he makes them pitch to the other guys on the lineup.

              Let me explain... Bonds' walks aren't just the only times he gets pitched around, many of his at bats are produced from 3 ball counts. Not to mention, pitchers will CONTINUOUSLY pitch to the outside until an umpire calls a strike at that zone. Bonds also has his own lefty specialists come in against him, you know, the submarine lefties and such, and also, there's no such thing as a fastball count when Bonds is up. Whether it's the first pitch or 3-2, there's a chance the pitcher will risk walking him with his strikeout pitch... whether it's a sinker or slider, or change up, Bonds is the only guy that MUST decide on what pitch he should look for, or he's gonna pay, because he can't look fastball, because he probably won't get a fastball.

              Now, about the other thing... when the game starts, and Durham is leading off, I can assure you that the manager is seeing that Bonds is batting 4th. So, they will do anything they can to try and get a 1-2-3 inning. Meaning, they are going to make sure that they are throwing strikes... you don't get that often. Pitchers surely don't like to walk guys, but it's never to the extent where it's either walking somebody, or getting to a high ball count, it's that they gotta throw strikes in that at bat. They want him to ground out or fly out, etc. Also, when the #3 batter is up, do you think that the pitcher, the manager, and the second baseman cares about him? No! They are all looking at that on-deck circle, and that will give the #3 batter the best pitches of his life, because they don't want a free runner on when Bonds comes up. Even moreso, if Bonds comes up with a runner on first, at times, there will be a wild pitch, or should I say a "wild pitch", so that the runner can move over, and they have an excuse for intentionally walking him. They also do it because they feel they can get the #5 hitter out, so they try very hard to give him fat strikes.

              The Giants were 2nd in the NL in runs scored, and Bonds wasn't the only person driving them in... HOWEVER, that doesn't mean he wasn't the cause for it, either. Because he's in that lineup, it changes the way that they pitch to him and the rest of the lineup, and they score many runs that way. With Bonds not in the lineup, a walk fearing the big man may be on deck is just not there, and those walks aren't as costly.



              Also, I don't know if you've seen this stat, but it's called RC/27, and Bonds is first with 20.21, and second is Todd Helton with 11.04.

              Basically, that stat estimates how many runs per game a team made up of nine of the same player would score. So, for Bonds, about 20 runs per game, and for the second place person, about 11 runs per game. That, is a HUGE difference.

              Oh, and guess what? Beltre is 9th on that list. That's not so high up.

              And finally, Bonds has more home runs this year than strikeouts. Beltre could not say that, because he had about 35 more strikeouts than home runs, when Bonds had about 5 more home runs than strikeouts.


              Oh, and Stoud, Beltre can't be a comeback player if he never had a year like this before anyways... this is his improving year, or his breakout year, not his comeback year.


              Basically, I'm doing what the thread starter said, and I can say even more, I'm just tired an gotta sleep.
              Samsung PN60F8500 PDP / Anthem MRX 720 / Klipsch RC-62 II / Klipsch RF-82 II (x2) / Insignia NS-B2111 (x2) / SVS PC13-Ultra / SVS SB-2000 / Sony MDR-7506 Professional / Audio-Technica ATH-R70x / Sony PS3 & PS4 / DirecTV HR44-500 / DarbeeVision DVP-5000 / Panamax M5400-PM / Elgato HD60

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              • nkhera1
                All Star
                • Oct 2003
                • 5913

                #8
                Re: Official End of the Year Awards Thread

                NL MVP

                Barry Bonds


                NL Cy Young

                Randy Johnson



                NL ROTY

                Jason Bay

                NL Manager of the Year

                Bobby Cox

                NL Comeback Player of the Year

                Jaret Wright

                AL MVP

                Vladimir Guerrero

                AL Cy Young

                Johan Santana

                AL ROTY

                Crosby because i don't think lew ford is elgible for rookie of the year, otherwise i would give it to him.

                AL Manager of the Year

                Buck Showalter

                AL Comeback Player of the Year

                Jon Lieber


                so pretty much same as most of you guys
                Just wait till Arsenal moves into Emirates Stadium.

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                • nkhera1
                  All Star
                  • Oct 2003
                  • 5913

                  #9
                  Re: Official End of the Year Awards Thread

                  NL MVP

                  Barry Bonds


                  NL Cy Young

                  Randy Johnson



                  NL ROTY

                  Jason Bay

                  NL Manager of the Year

                  Bobby Cox

                  NL Comeback Player of the Year

                  Jaret Wright

                  AL MVP

                  Vladimir Guerrero

                  AL Cy Young

                  Johan Santana

                  AL ROTY

                  Crosby because i don't think lew ford is elgible for rookie of the year, otherwise i would give it to him.

                  AL Manager of the Year

                  Buck Showalter

                  AL Comeback Player of the Year

                  Jon Lieber


                  so pretty much same as most of you guys
                  Just wait till Arsenal moves into Emirates Stadium.

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                  • dce1228
                    MVP
                    • Mar 2003
                    • 1016

                    #10
                    Re: Official End of the Year Awards Thread

                    First off, Squint, great job compiling this list. It's tough to argue with any of your picks...

                    However, I do find it amusing that after having argued with you against RJ for the CY YOUNG in a different long-winded thread you've come around in the end. Getting to 16 wins was crucial for RJ, and I think he will probably win the title, especially with Clemens not going today, but I have to wonder if a different player, a player not named Randy Johnson, gets consideration even with such a mediocre win total-- a player like Ben Sheets for instance, but I digress... he's Randy Johnson and he's 41 and he threw a perfect game and he's got awesome numbers, and two more wins than loses. No starting pitcher has ever won the CY YOUNG with such a comparably low win total, but there's a first time for everything.

                    My personal vote goes to Oswalt. A lot of people diss his ERA..etc.. but the kid throws in a severe hitter's park and had a lot to do with his team's run here late in the season. I know no one else will vote for the kid and maybe that's why I am, in the end. I like the underdog. RJ's got a lot of fans, and he deserves them, certainly, but I almost have to wonder if you reversed the names on the stats if RJ gets the CY YOUNG with Oswalt's wins and Oswalt gets ignored with the great WHIP and K total... either way, I hope Oswalt kicks some *** in the playoffs and baseball fans get a chance to see how good this kid is.

                    The NL rookie-of-the-year is fun for me likewise because I got to watch both Bay and Greene play for the Beavers last summer. It's great to see them succeed this season.

                    And as for Beltre, in order to be 'comeback' player of the year you have to be good, bad, then good again... but Beltre has never been good before this season, so I can't see him winning that award... anyway... peace, and great job Squint...

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                    • dce1228
                      MVP
                      • Mar 2003
                      • 1016

                      #11
                      Re: Official End of the Year Awards Thread

                      First off, Squint, great job compiling this list. It's tough to argue with any of your picks...

                      However, I do find it amusing that after having argued with you against RJ for the CY YOUNG in a different long-winded thread you've come around in the end. Getting to 16 wins was crucial for RJ, and I think he will probably win the title, especially with Clemens not going today, but I have to wonder if a different player, a player not named Randy Johnson, gets consideration even with such a mediocre win total-- a player like Ben Sheets for instance, but I digress... he's Randy Johnson and he's 41 and he threw a perfect game and he's got awesome numbers, and two more wins than loses. No starting pitcher has ever won the CY YOUNG with such a comparably low win total, but there's a first time for everything.

                      My personal vote goes to Oswalt. A lot of people diss his ERA..etc.. but the kid throws in a severe hitter's park and had a lot to do with his team's run here late in the season. I know no one else will vote for the kid and maybe that's why I am, in the end. I like the underdog. RJ's got a lot of fans, and he deserves them, certainly, but I almost have to wonder if you reversed the names on the stats if RJ gets the CY YOUNG with Oswalt's wins and Oswalt gets ignored with the great WHIP and K total... either way, I hope Oswalt kicks some *** in the playoffs and baseball fans get a chance to see how good this kid is.

                      The NL rookie-of-the-year is fun for me likewise because I got to watch both Bay and Greene play for the Beavers last summer. It's great to see them succeed this season.

                      And as for Beltre, in order to be 'comeback' player of the year you have to be good, bad, then good again... but Beltre has never been good before this season, so I can't see him winning that award... anyway... peace, and great job Squint...

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                      • BatsareBugs
                        LVP
                        • Feb 2003
                        • 12553

                        #12
                        Re: Official End of the Year Awards Thread

                        NL MVP: Barry Bonds

                        AL MVP: Vladimir Guerrero

                        NL Cy Young: N/A

                        AL Cy Young: Johan Santana, enough said.

                        NL ROTY: Khalil Greene

                        AL ROTY: Bobby Crosby

                        NL Comeback Player of the Year: Trevor Hoffman

                        AL Comeback Player of the Year: N/A

                        NL Manager of the Year: Bruce Bochy

                        AL Manager of the Year: N/A

                        NL Goof of the Year: Jason Michaels

                        AL Goof of the Year: Ken Harvey

                        Most Disappointing Team of the Year: Philadelphia/Toronto

                        Most Surprising Team of the Year (In terms on which most people expected): Los Angeles/Texas

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                        • BatsareBugs
                          LVP
                          • Feb 2003
                          • 12553

                          #13
                          Re: Official End of the Year Awards Thread

                          NL MVP: Barry Bonds

                          AL MVP: Vladimir Guerrero

                          NL Cy Young: N/A

                          AL Cy Young: Johan Santana, enough said.

                          NL ROTY: Khalil Greene

                          AL ROTY: Bobby Crosby

                          NL Comeback Player of the Year: Trevor Hoffman

                          AL Comeback Player of the Year: N/A

                          NL Manager of the Year: Bruce Bochy

                          AL Manager of the Year: N/A

                          NL Goof of the Year: Jason Michaels

                          AL Goof of the Year: Ken Harvey

                          Most Disappointing Team of the Year: Philadelphia/Toronto

                          Most Surprising Team of the Year (In terms on which most people expected): Los Angeles/Texas

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                          • Karlos05
                            -
                            • Mar 2003
                            • 5814

                            #14
                            Re: Official End of the Year Awards Thread

                            Only thing I got is that Bay wins NL ROY, and I'm not exactly sure if Ford is eligible for AL ROY so I would give it to Crosby

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                            • Karlos05
                              -
                              • Mar 2003
                              • 5814

                              #15
                              Re: Official End of the Year Awards Thread

                              Only thing I got is that Bay wins NL ROY, and I'm not exactly sure if Ford is eligible for AL ROY so I would give it to Crosby

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