The DH Argument....

[ImTellinTim]

Re: The DH Argument....

To me the strategy based around an awful hitter being in the lineup is forced and uninteresting. If the NL teams want to keep it between them, fine. But all interleague games (including the World Series!) should have the DH at least.

*puts on flame suit*

[DieHardYankee26]

Re: The DH Argument....

To me the strategy based around an awful hitter being in the lineup is forced and uninteresting. If the NL teams want to keep it between them, fine. But all interleague games (including the World Series!) should have the DH at least.





*puts on flame suit*

How could you not enjoy the thrill of possibly having to take out your best pitcher to get in someone who you only need in the game for one AB?

[redsox4evur]

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How could you not enjoy the thrill of possibly having to take out your best pitcher to get in someone who you only need in the game for one AB?

You can see this in the AL but your best pitcher still gets to pitch but your young 3rd baseman gets pulled instead.

[KSUowls]

Re: The DH Argument....

To me the strategy based around an awful hitter being in the lineup is forced and uninteresting. If the NL teams want to keep it between them, fine. But all interleague games (including the World Series!) should have the DH at least.

*puts on flame suit*

I disagree completely. I like the aspect that the ruleset forces the team to think of smallball as both viable and the preferred option when the opportunity presents itself.

And forcing all interleague games to have the DH would be such an incredible advantage to the AL. It's not insurmountable obviously, but it's a disadvantage for sure...just like it's a disadvantage for an AL pitcher to hit in an NL ballpark.

I like that the leagues have different rules. It's something unique about baseball, but if both leagues are going to play by 1 ruleset then it should be the NL way. The game is more requires more strategy, it is more interesting to watch imo, and it just seems dumb to treat pitchers as though they are special. They are baseball players so let them play. And, I really don't like the argument about pitchers getting hurt on a fluke injury hitting or running the bases. They are athletes playing the same game as everyone else aren't they?

[kehlis]

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I disagree completely. I like the aspect that the ruleset forces the team to think of smallball as both viable and the preferred option when the opportunity presents itself.

And forcing all interleague games to have the DH would be such an incredible advantage to the AL. It's not insurmountable obviously, but it's a disadvantage for sure...just like it's a disadvantage for an AL pitcher to hit in an NL ballpark.

I like that the leagues have different rules. It's something unique about baseball, but if both leagues are going to play by 1 ruleset then it should be the NL way. The game is more requires more strategy, it is more interesting to watch imo, and it just seems dumb to treat pitchers as though they are special. They are baseball players so let them play. And, I really don't like the argument about pitchers getting hurt on a fluke injury hitting or running the bases. They are athletes playing the same game as everyone else aren't they?

What am I missing? How is it a disadvantage for an NL team getting to play with a DH rather than having their pitcher hit?

[Knight165]

Re: The DH Argument....

What am I missing? How is it a disadvantage for an NL team getting to play with a DH rather than having their pitcher hit?

Twofold(albeit slight in one aspect)

A.L. teams can afford to carry a D.H. who rakes but is lacking defensively.
N.L. teams....not so much....so they might forsake better hitters for better all around players.
I doubt any N.L. team has Big Papi on their roster these days.
ADV: A.L.

N.L. teams pitchers are used to being AB as opposed to A.L. pitchers.
Take that away...
ADV: A.L.

M.K.
Knight165

[Jr.]

Re: The DH Argument....

Twofold(albeit slight in one aspect)

A.L. teams can afford to carry a D.H. who rakes but is lacking defensively.
N.L. teams....not so much....so they might forsake better hitters for better all around players.
I doubt any N.L. team has Big Papi on their roster these days.
ADV: A.L.

N.L. teams pitchers are used to being AB as opposed to A.L. pitchers.
Take that away...
ADV: A.L.

M.K.
Knight165

First one is a good point, but I don't understand your 2nd argument.

Because NL pitchers are used to hitting, they're at a disadvantage when they don't hit?

[Knight165]

Re: The DH Argument....

First one is a good point, but I don't understand your 2nd argument.

Because NL pitchers are used to hitting, they're at a disadvantage when they don't hit?

Not that they are at a disadvantage....
But by removing a situation where the N.L. pitchers have the upper hand even a bit.....is giving the A.L. the advantage there.

So if the N.L. is +1 in the non-DH games...
and both teams are 0 without the DH(forget that the A.L. has better hitters)
that is taking away a slight advantage for the N.L. in those games.

M.K.
Knight165

[kehlis]

Re: The DH Argument....

Not that they are at a disadvantage....
But by removing a situation where the N.L. pitchers have the upper hand even a bit.....is giving the A.L. the advantage there.

So if the N.L. is +1 in the non-DH games...
and both teams are 0 without the DH(forget that the A.L. has better hitters)
that is taking away a slight advantage for the N.L. in those games.

M.K.
Knight165

Definitely see what you are saying but I still think even if the NL team was given the choice they would choose having both teams use the DH in interleague games versus neither using the DH.

[Sportsforever]

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Definitely see what you are saying but I still think even if the NL team was given the choice they would choose having both teams use the DH in interleague games versus neither using the DH.

I disagree...I would always make the AL manager have to choose if he benches Edgar Martinez/David Ortiz or puts his crappy glove in the field. That will always be an advantage for the NL.

[Jr.]

Re: The DH Argument....

Not that they are at a disadvantage....
But by removing a situation where the N.L. pitchers have the upper hand even a bit.....is giving the A.L. the advantage there.

So if the N.L. is +1 in the non-DH games...
and both teams are 0 without the DH(forget that the A.L. has better hitters)
that is taking away a slight advantage for the N.L. in those games.

M.K.
Knight165

I still don't follow. Why does the NL have the upper hand?

How is the NL +1 in non-DH games, but both teams are 0 without the DH? How can the NL team be +1 and 0 at the same time?

[Knight165]

Re: The DH Argument....

I still don't follow. Why does the NL have the upper hand?

How is the NL +1 in non-DH games, but both teams are 0 without the DH? How can the NL team be +1 and 0 at the same time?

It's not the same time.
It's +1 if there is no D.H.
It's 0 if there is a D.H. PLUS the advantage that the A.L. has with better hitters.

In games without the D.H. ....N.L. pitchers are more used to being at bat than A.L. pitchers.....seeing more pitches .....more walks ....more adept at sacrificing.

If you remove the pitchers spot and replace it with the D.H......the gain is not only the advantage the A.L. has with better hitters for that spot....but a gain through the loss of the slight advantage the N.L. would have if there were no D.H.

Like I said....it may be slight, but just by familiarity the N.L. has an advantage in those games.

M.K.
Knight165

[kehlis]

Re: The DH Argument....

I disagree...I would always make the AL manager have to choose if he benches Edgar Martinez/David Ortiz or puts his crappy glove in the field. That will always be an advantage for the NL.

Fair enough, though I disagree (thinking as a manager I would rather have my best 9 hitters in the lineup and wouldn't concern myself with what the other team is doing), I can understand the thought behind it.

[dickey1331]

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I disagree...I would always make the AL manager have to choose if he benches Edgar Martinez/David Ortiz or puts his crappy glove in the field. That will always be an advantage for the NL.

I believe advance statistics say fielding is overrated and you should play your best hitters as they'd give you a better advantage over poor fielding.

[Jr.]

Re: The DH Argument....

It's not the same time.
It's +1 if there is no D.H.
It's 0 if there is a D.H. PLUS the advantage that the A.L. has with better hitters.

In games without the D.H. ....N.L. pitchers are more used to being at bat than A.L. pitchers.....seeing more pitches .....more walks ....more adept at sacrificing.

If you remove the pitchers spot and replace it with the D.H......the gain is not only the advantage the A.L. has with better hitters for that spot....but a gain through the loss of the slight advantage the N.L. would have if there were no D.H.

Like I said....it may be slight, but just by familiarity the N.L. has an advantage in those games.

M.K.
Knight165

Oh okay. You said non-DH, then without DH before, which are the same thing. That's what was confusing to me.